HOES KILLED HIP HOP...end of story

[gho3st]

Dont buy your favorite rapper's CD and blame it on HOes brehs

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

Art drops a lot of gems in his posts tbh

alot of the shyt is true he says, I used to peep every suspect move a rapper made and call them out on it too, I just don't got it in me like I used to.

this rap shyt got dry for me around the end of 06, just lost that love that I thought i'd always have for it.

 

[mortuus est]

alot of the shyt is true he says, I used to peep every suspect move a rapper made and call them out on it too, I just don't got it in me like I used to.

this rap shyt got dry for me around the end of 06, just lost that love that I thought i'd always have for it.

 

[Art Barr]

U strict when it comes to this hiphop shyt bruh.

you can't give ras and them a hamburger made of beef, breh.
you can't give a muslim or any member of the noi, a pork chop.
so, you won't see me compromise my culture for anyone.


art barr

 

[bouncy]

first,...
nas did not get money.
as he no-showed his shows from 94-96.
to the point....

in 94, he no-showed congress, and the Alcatraz, in Chicago alone.
two venues everyone from krs, wu, even africka bambatta and the entire Zulu fuc'n nation appeared at.
where I still have the promo posters of: krs and wu

in 1996, common had to fill in for him as the host at the DePaul show.
then, an unpaid common went to rock as a performer.
plus, unveiled and debuted the acapella version of :

THE ICE CUBE DISS ; bytch IN YOO

so, spare me the talk about why he did not have money.
nas did not have money, because he did not fulfill his duty as a performer and his booking, consistently.
also, the missed shows in Chicago were not the only ones nationally.

next,..he aligned with steve stout.
whom was already known as a cultural business scourge.
so, that is also another note on top of the other points and facts.
you would like to deflect on.
you are doing nuffin but creating a pass system.
the same pass system and sentiments,..
I already spoke on that have created the exact erosion.
that plagues the rap business and limited the creation of culturally sound economy and bboy/bgirls.


stop deflecting and creating a narcissistic brain trust for your agenda.

nas is a sellout, period.
how are melle mel, and Curtis blow sellouts in the old school way of thought.
where nas is a newschool artist subscribing to old school and new school ways of thought that were clearly outlined as selling out.
then, you trying to come give a pass.

if that is the case, then go create a large draw and resurrect the career of melle mel, bdk, and others.

it won't happen as they are entrenched as non-draws from their acts.

the only reason nas is still a draw is .
he was apart of an mtv pr blitz for if I ruled the world.
where the introduction of hiphop as the template for marketing worldwide had taken over.

if not for leo burnett taking marketing global for the culture.
nas, would be non-defunct like those before him.
the only people giving nas a pass.
are his fanbase who were duped in that pr blitz of, if I ruled the world.
if you run into a real bboy.
who keeps it all the way real and live.
they will tell you the real.
just as I have:



art barr

Guess I wrong!.

If he did miss shows then that was his fault, so I give you that. What I still dont agree with(not saying you say this) is how the underground fans would talk about selling out and dissing, including me, but when artists need support most weren't doing it, at least legally. What do you do as an artists who loves making music in general, yet when you keep everything raw you cant live a life of peace due to a lack of support from people who say they are your true fans?. You cant make a living off of music if one area just likes your music. Its even worse if that area hardly buys your shyt legally. I'm asking you what do you do?. Do you keep it real 100% and risk being a struggling artists who lives a humble life or do you give in a little to make people who spend money happy yet still make some music for your hardcore fans who do buy music?. Me I would do the ladder because I love music anyway so changing it up a little isnt a problem to me, as long as I can keep doing what I really like doing.

 

[bouncy]

you can't give ras and them a hamburger made of beef, breh.
you can't give a muslim or any member of the noi, a pork chop.
so, you won't see me compromise my culture for anyone.


art barr

But some can say they are lost for thinking in a narrow way in the first place because life is way deeper then the way they see it. By putting yourself in a box, how can you grow?. There are man made rules which usually dont do anything but make matters worse, and then you have universal rules which works because it relies on only doing something if it allows you to grow in all areas of life efficiently.

 

[Art Barr]

But some can say they are lost for thinking in a narrow way in the first place because life is way deeper then the way they see it. By putting yourself in a box, how can you grow?. There are man made rules which usually dont do anything but make matters worse, and then you have universal rules which works because it relies on only doing something if it allows you to grow in all areas of life efficiently.

when someone has culture.
you are a fool to try to dispute or remove them from it.
you will not sway a man actualized in his culture.
so, why prey on his culture and disrespect it.
the main issue with being an American is it has no discernible actual culture.

as the precepts it is built upon is a whole nother convo.
a convo, I don't have over the net..



art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Guess I wrong!.

If he did miss shows then that was his fault, so I give you that. What I still dont agree with(not saying you say this) is how the underground fans would talk about selling out and dissing, including me, but when artists need support most weren't doing it, at least legally. What do you do as an artists who loves making music in general, yet when you keep everything raw you cant live a life of peace due to a lack of support from people who say they are your true fans?. You cant make a living off of music if one area just likes your music. Its even worse if that area hardly buys your shyt legally. I'm asking you what do you do?. Do you keep it real 100% and risk being a struggling artists who lives a humble life or do you give in a little to make people who spend money happy yet still make some music for your hardcore fans who do buy music?. Me I would do the ladder because I love music anyway so changing it up a little isnt a problem to me, as long as I can keep doing what I really like doing.

what you do is continue to make culturally accepted music.
then, get the facts on what the lowest possible return is for that.
the sales spike era was a farce.
plus, jettisoned at the very least 150K to 350K possible sales for rap artist on average.
from their culturally based fans as well.
back, in the day.....
krs, to empd went gold and beyond.
redman sold 750K.
souls of mischief as a culturally endorsed artist before no man's land sold 750K.
when, souls of mischief sold out their culturally endorsed fan base, on no man's land.
to try to appeal to the 250K fans missing on their sales outing.
in favor of the outkast fan base who were platinum.
they ruined their entire draw and lessened their sales to below gold status.

you never sell out, typically.
only reason nas is an exception, sales wise.
during the opening of the sales spike era, was.
nas, was the gateway solo mtv rap is marketed global gateway artist.
yet, and still....
he never posts number anywhere near his sellout plat days.
he never posted fugee type numbers, either.
as he should have done with a lauren feature, as well.
plus, has negative scrutiny from culturally minded fans.
to mainstream fans he tried to appeal to.
on top of his draw being nowhere near his premier solo artist on mtv marketed days.
when, if nas never sold out.
he would have elevated his sales past illmatic exponentially.
with the leo burnet market run on the horizon.
he would have been the biggest culturally accepted gateway artist.
on top of never giving away the emcee's rubrick skillwise.
by selling out, he allowed.
his jiggy contemporaries to bite him and outdraw him, long term.

plus, lessened his draw to being completely irrelevant.
incomparison to when nas sould't his soul for riches.



art barr

 

[Roovers410]

Nah.... the society just became superficial

 

[bouncy]

@Art Barr
True but, as a thinker it is your duty to question that culure. You are not disrespecting it by analyzing it and seeing it for what it is. If a man wants to be in that culture so be it but culture is bigger then the individual which means it has no feelings on being observed. Most people that get offended from being analyzed when the bullshyt wihin that culture gets exposed, yet claim they love the culture to an extreme are really just vultures in disguise. They are vultures because they want the image of being the embodiement of the culture for their advantage when in reality they stagnate the culture from growing and ultimatelty kill it ,hence vultures in disguise.

 

[bouncy]

what you do is continue to make culturally accepted music.
then, get the facts on what the lowest possible return is for that.
the sales spike era was a farce.
plus, jettisoned at the very least 150K to 350K possible sales for rap artist on average.
from their culturally based fans as well.
back, in the day.....
krs, to empd went gold and beyond.
redman sold 750K.
souls of mischief as a culturally endorsed artist before no man's land sold 750K.
when, souls of mischief sold out their culturally endorsed fan base, on no man's land.
to try to appeal to the 250K fans missing on their sales outing.
in favor of the outkast fan base who were platinum.
they ruined their entire draw and lessened their sales to below gold status.

you never sell out, typically.
only reason nas is an exception, sales wise.
during the opening of the sales spike era, was.
nas, was the gateway solo mtv rap is marketed global gateway artist.
yet, and still....
he never posts number anywhere near his sellout plat days.
he never posted fugee type numbers, either.
as he should have done with a lauren feature, as well.
plus, has negative scrutiny from culturally minded fans.
to mainstream fans he tried to appeal to.
on top of his draw being nowhere near his premier solo artist on mtv marketed days.


art barr

I hear you but those artists came from a time when there wasnt many artists selling albums. Krs sold but as soon as the mid 90's came it slowed down, which is why the singing on hooks"step into a world"and puffy remix came around in 97. EPMD, stopped right at the beginning of the 90's but solo, Parissh sold nothing being "Real Hip Hop", and Erick sold gold off of songs that were reall hip hop as well as songs that had a more commercial appeal. I liked all of them because I like music in general.

I get what you're saying but, I dont feel hip hop has to be in such a small box. As long as it has that funk, that groove, that soul vibe, everyhing will fall into place. The DJ will do his job better, the dancers will dl their job, and the artists will do their job. Everything revolves around the music and the feeljng it gives. You cant put that into a box, when you do the ship will start to sink. Look at the underground who claimed they had the real shyt, yet they are struggling to keep the hip hop going for real. Yeah, they try to keep it up with dj shows or graffitti and dancers but it looks forced and thats because the music is lacking that feeling. You can claim hip hop all day but if hat feeling isnt there it sill just be you rapping about it, nothing of substance will come of it. Whats funny is a lot of rappefs who claim real hip hop dont even give me that feeling that some commercial acts do wih some of their songs. Its like they think because they say they are hip hop, I'm supposed to believe it and feel it in the music.

 

[JQ Legend]

this is mase originally:



who was lightyears ahead of others in his immediate company and others in rap.
his grasp, was far from the bitten developing members of cotc.
who were biting wu tang....
to becoming the worst unconvincing dumbed down skill sellout artist in rap history.

if you read one of the youtube comments.
someone there is like...
this can't be 93.
or mase would have been the best emcee.
when, argueably as a newcomer.
mase, could have been so powerful if he never sold out and dumbed down.
that no one could have possibly seen him.
plus, he would have probably been bigger.
if he never dumbed down, and he would have never had to leave the rap world.
as he may have mentally been more sound, if he stayed true to himself.

art barr

Damn in 93 Mase might have been the best rapper alive, all jokes aside

alot of the shyt is true he says, I used to peep every suspect move a rapper made and call them out on it too, I just don't got it in me like I used to.

this rap shyt got dry for me around the end of 06, just lost that love that I thought i'd always have for it.

I been sayin since 07 that 2005 was the last great year for hip hop

2006 was aight and was better than most if not every year that followed but it was the beginning of the bullshyt we're seeing now

 

[PHamm]

Yeah.. And to be clear.. A lot of these hoes have dikks..

 

[RichYung]

 

[Art Barr]

@Art Barr
True but, as a thinker it is your duty to question that culure. You are not disrespecting it by analyzing it and seeing it for what it is. If a man wants to be in that culture so be it but culture is bigger then the individual which means it has no feelings on being observed. Most people that get offended from being analyzed when the bullshyt wihin that culture gets exposed, yet claim they love the culture to an extreme are really just vultures in disguise. They are vultures because they want the image of being the embodiement of the culture for their advantage when in reality they stagnate the culture from growing and ultimatelty kill it ,hence vultures in disguise.

you sound offkey and lack faith in culture, breh.
what you are talembout, is rooted in pagan ideaology you are spewing.
you sound as though,..
you walk into the light, breh.

I don't walk into the light, or look for a first death.
so, spare me this gateway rhetoric.
I am to thorough for you to try that on me.
I don't entertain the premise on which you are basing your post's content on, either.
so, don't do it anymore.


art barr