HOES KILLED HIP HOP...end of story

[The Dust King]

cam repaired his cultural standing.
signaled by cam, rebelling against the jiggy cadre of wackiness that helped create the profitability and draw.
that he gravitated towards to get signed with mase/un/puff/jay.
finally closing out his attention to cultural responsibility administratively as a label owner.

originally, his signing and cof debut.
was viewed as an extreme departure of the ditc/finesse/big L/eight is enough family tree culturally.
after mase, also abandoned said roots and his original delivery with coc.
both dumbed down, vocally as talents.
plus, their perception were dulled long term at the time.

to the point,..
in this community and culturally cam was a laughing stock.
not to mention,..
I was never a supporter of his during this era at all.
as it is well documented when became a supporter of cam'ron on rocafella with the pr of jay's coup attempt.
then, later his release of purple haze and his comeuppance of skill vocally, and as a more solid technical marvel.
closer akin, to the development he should have featured originally.
being an offshoot of ditc/finesse/big L/eight is enough crew.

also,..
before cam returned back from the darkside culturally.
he was loathed in this community.
which was signaled by the dipset spam movement.
which, originally amplified the apathy towards cam and his jiggy allegiances.
cam, was not always an accepted figure for his choices, culturally.
seeing as his pedigree comes from the family tree of ditc/finesse/big L.

also, speaking of ditc.
ditc, also soul't out.
on their group lp, and diamond d's second album ode to jiggy-ism.
after his success as a producer on the fugee's the score lp.
that was a departure from stunts, blunts and hiphop.
of, which fatjoe was part of the collective.

on top of being the management/mastermind behind pun.
where, pun, was on the slippery slope.
here and there,...
that after pun's death, was evident by fatjoe completely selling all the way out.
when, he made jose ii, and was jumping in swimming pools in powder blue fur coats in 2001-2002.
coupled with fatjoe's nas biting during the mid nineties.
that even common called him out on, as his labelmate 1995.


I know this culture, breh.
learn your history and the past of the rap industry.
stop letting culture thieves get away with destroying your culture.
if you were an indian,.....
whom, never received reparations.
by you ignoring the actual facts.
you would gladly accept that smallpox gift package of blanketing.
if you accept what people in the industry.
have allowed and done to the culture through business and the publically traded prison industry complex.


art barr

if I were an indian then we belong to two different tribes.

the fact you said that cam repaired his standings since he sold out proves you have too much invested in him personally, forget as an artist.

cam is a good rapper but he did no such thing and has been on a decline since his debut at rocafella.

this can be proved by searching for cams conceptual records. the gap of time that exsists between "my hood" and "I hate my job" or "I.b.s." is something like 5 or 6 years

now you love mentioning the other parts of the culture, the parts that cam has artistically ignored.

since nas sold out on his sophmorre release he always kept the aspects of the culture alive.

this guy is bringing legends out at live shows, releasing singles with doug e fresh beatboxing (something camron should've BEEN did) and he has rocksteady crew performing with him.

then he has videos (with other featured legends like KRS) which pay homage to graf.

on top of which nas has been his own draw to the recently deceased 5 pointz.

then we have the rock the bells festival, something which ya boy cam attended two years ago.

that truly shows how humbled cam is now and how you need to change your outlook immediately since his draw is now relying on nas to stay relevant.


I respect 99% of shyt u say but nobodys perfect and your stanism for camron has reared its head for the last time when debating me.

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

Art Barr u really think Nas had intentions on destroying hiphop ?

 

[Art Barr]

Art Barr u really think Nas had intentions on destroying hiphop ?

oh for sure....
as he exactly knew who and what he was as an emcee, culturally.
this is not like some southern rap artist.
who never really partook or had the cultural connection.
or some Midwest guy who never had experience or know how culturally.
since, nas the herald does adhere to the culture.
in the mecca, of hiphop.
the thinking became,...
sheit,..I don't either...
if nas says fukk hiphop, by his actions.

I can front on hiphop.
whenever and however, I want to.
which became the idealogy and mantra nas set, and is fully eroding the voice of the impoverished.
into a minstrel parody based bullshyt show.
that only encompasses one economic business from one pillar, which is rap.


this is nas.
the herald and protégé of:

large professor

the same large professor, who made fake'n the funk.
amoung other cultural line drawn in the sand style mantra records.
the same large professor, that was aligned with the producers of organized confusion.
where nas bit, I gave you power.
then, acted like he never knew about organized.
when, organized had a follow up.
to a highly certified high quality classic, just as nas during 1994.
nas, is the guy who was put on by serch.
the same serch, who smacked up a foam hammer, and dissed vanilla ice.

after, nas gave away the cultural blueprint to credible emcee'n.
rap has and may never be the same.
the exact reason why guys like jayz, and others of the jiggy sellout nature.
got to draw, on a larger level.
when originally they were landlocked sales wise being ny artist.
plus, were culturally never cosignable as artist.
is nas, and others in his cultural company.
sold out the culture to the highest bidder.
in the exact moment that hiphop as a culture was being marketed and given the main template to marketing products in America in 1996, from leo burnett.

if nas, would have stuck to his guns, and the culture.
he was destined to blow up, regardless.
as he was in the prime cultural position as a key figure head in the draw of rap.

when he sold out,...
he eliminated other artist from having traction.
who were also, culturally right there with him as well.

when he sold out,...
it allowed the flood gate of toys to attempt and now succeed.

originally, when biting was outlawed.
a guy like mic Geronimo biting nas never had much traction.
after nas sold out,...anyone who followed the jiggy blueprint to now.
after the death of biggie and pac,..
which, took out the white people's TWO and shattered the glass ceiling.
can have drawing traction with no cultural responsibility.

so, a guy like mic Geronimo back in the day.
biting nas, and failing with puff.
now, is j cole, biting nas as a jayz troll joke.
similar to heath slater and 3mb being a troll joke of chris Jericho's fozzy.
cole, is aligned with the jiggy jigga, and has traction.
plus, able to fake as a fukkin biter filled toy.
all because he sounds and bites nas.
on a major label level, that fakes the funk.
when, aligning with jayz.
after, jay's fool the culture run.
along with puff's fool the culture pr, run in the 40th anniversary of hiphop.

yet, since...
the culture, it's protection mechanisms, and significance was destroyed.
you have toys able to market toys as being culturally aware.
when it is a fukk'n lie and a farce.
nas, knows he is behind it.

that is why a record like:

who killed't it, exist by nas.

nas is the darth vader of rap.
the evil annakin skywalker,...emotionally despondent from his own lack of cultural responsibility.
on top of a failure to appear at shows, and lowly performance skill on stage.
taking it out on every one, else from his own issues.
then, blaming them on the source.

like, Anakin did in starwars.
when, he killed his princess of the universe.
then, deflected it on to everyone else.
backed by the sith lords, steve stout and puff.

nas, is the worst.
before nas, fully sold out writing will smith sellout records, and hate me now.
the culture had some resistance, to the poison of jiggy-ism.

after nas, sold out,..
the culture had no new gen herald.
plus, had to look at the new gen herald completely sell it out.
for, the exact riches that he accused jayz of, ether.

nas, is a hide your hands face ass nikka.....
if you know the exact history, and lived it.

you know the truth.

the people who are resistant.
are the mtv convoy of non-culturally aware fans.
who were fooled by mtv saturation marketing of if I ruled the world.
the same cultural sellout saturation marketing that began with naughty by nature's, ghetto b*stard.




art barr


MAIN SOURCE
i'm just hanging out


= arguably the best remix in rap history.




"having hard times writing rhymes"
so he knows all my metaphors and dines on my lines

and copiers,...
so i'm corona bound




I hate a rhyme biters rhyme.

 

[Art Barr]

cof will always be my worst purchase. but cotc was wack too. so, where are you guys seeing this cultural shift? the only one that had talent was mase.

originally, cotc were called out for biting wu tang.
just like yaggfu front and the umc's were, in that time period.

it is just revisionist history, has tried to take over.
for the legacy of cotc.
hpk, had nikkaz mad and calling up to never play cotc, back then.
I distinctly remember the backlash.

yet, many people like to revise history.

just, like ancient rome trying to say they were not a gay society.
then, gays acting as if they have been put in a box as extreme as slavery/discrimination.
when, it is all a farce and a lie.

when it comes to mase.
mase, distinctly and purposefully sold out.
by dumbing down his skillset and vocal tonality/mic presence/delivery.
plus, aligned with puff to desecrate the one of the greatest records in history.
not, just rap records, in history.
one of the greatest records in history on hold me down.

It is a complete distinct difference between mase in the eight is enough/cotc era.
as opposed to his dumbed down gargles puff cum in his mouth delivery on badboy.


this is mase originally:



who was lightyears ahead of others in his immediate company and others in rap.
his grasp, was far from the bitten developing members of cotc.
who were biting wu tang....
to becoming the worst unconvincing dumbed down skill sellout artist in rap history.

if you read one of the youtube comments.
someone there is like...
this can't be 93.
or mase would have been the best emcee.
when, argueably as a newcomer.
mase, could have been so powerful if he never sold out and dumbed down.
that no one could have possibly seen him.
plus, he would have probably been bigger.
if he never dumbed down, and he would have never had to leave the rap world.
as he may have mentally been more sound, if he stayed true to himself.






art barr

 

[Art Barr]

if I were an indian then we belong to two different tribes.

the fact you said that cam repaired his standings since he sold out proves you have too much invested in him personally, forget as an artist.

cam is a good rapper but he did no such thing and has been on a decline since his debut at rocafella.

this can be proved by searching for cams conceptual records. the gap of time that exsists between "my hood" and "I hate my job" or "I.b.s." is something like 5 or 6 years

now you love mentioning the other parts of the culture, the parts that cam has artistically ignored.

since nas sold out on his sophmorre release he always kept the aspects of the culture alive.

this guy is bringing legends out at live shows, releasing singles with doug e fresh beatboxing (something camron should've BEEN did) and he has rocksteady crew performing with him.

then he has videos (with other featured legends like KRS) which pay homage to graf.

on top of which nas has been his own draw to the recently deceased 5 pointz.

then we have the rock the bells festival, something which ya boy cam attended two years ago.

that truly shows how humbled cam is now and how you need to change your outlook immediately since his draw is now relying on nas to stay relevant.


I respect 99% of shyt u say but nobodys perfect and your stanism for camron has reared its head for the last time when debating me.

I think you think because I like cam'ron.
that is my favorite artist or I am a stan.
I cite the facts culturally and skillwise cam has over other artist in his region.
as well as his untainted completely sonned the top tier battle record.
on, top of his developed and actualized skill in technical skill and vocal tonality to mic presence and delivery.
of which nas, does not have the same attention to skill.
plus, nas dually lives off fake pr, and fake cultural connection.
that nas has never atoned for.
on top of continually making offkey and sometimes offbeat submissions.
for an artist of nas's skill is completely unacceptable.
you just have a bias.
as many do for cam in this community.
I have talked about in depthly since the dipset spam days.
I am not even sure it you were around for.

next,...
I don't stan anyone at all.
as a matter of fact,..
I don't even make threads on whom my favorites are like that.
so, you trying to condemn me for liking cam.
when, I actually know who/when/what/where, cam is as a cultural person is offkey/offbrand as hell.

cam is nowhere near my favorite.

my favorites,..
most people on this board don't know a thing about, typically.
or, they have a thread here and there.
you never see me cram my fav's down people's throats.
nor, do I distinctly ignore facts about the artist and ignore their lack of cultural responsibility.
I produce duality when talking about rappers.
if they have been on bullshyt culturally.

you couldn't tell me who or what my favorites are, either.

anyone, I write up in this community generally.
that is not a culturally commendable artist.
I do, so...
as they have an attention to technical skill as an emcee.
or, that artist has some sonic presentation...
that may lengthen or change the mainstream ideal or ear.
to produce a larger draw for mainstream rap.
so, it acts as a gateway for rap gateway fans to better move to getting higher quality rap records of all varieties.
so, that all artist are given a chance.
based upon a skills rubrick.
instead of one built on marketing and faking jax based pr attached to said artist.

on top, of keeping my ear ready to identify the next gateway phenom in rap.
which could make more new rap fans, and possibly the creation of a new bboy/bgirl.





art barr

 

[Budda]

People really that pissed about Rnbs influence on Hip Hop.

It makes no sense to me given that Rap is the child of many of the older black genres.

 

[Art Barr]

People really that pissed about Rnbs influence on Hip Hop.

It makes no sense to me given that Rap is the child of many of the older black genres.

rap was made to distinctly...
not, fall into the low quality disco/house laden trap that ruined the quality and profitability of rnb.
that is why it was taboo, to make rnb based rap records.
where the force mc's in the old school way of thought.
were forced to remarket themselves as the force md's.

now, we are back where we were in the old school way of thought.
looking at the same end, of rap and hiphop.
that would have mired rap and hiphop into the fad.
they said it was back then.

as, we are reliving the force md years of rap.
with more than one sugar hill and the largest influx of toys in the history of the rap industry.
the same things that originally killed new school rap as an album selling medium.
before krs ushered in the newschool way of thought's cultural awareness for hiphop.
plus, created the blueprint for quality album making.
while, also defeating and putting a close on the oldschool way of thought.
when, he soundly destroyed melle mel, live on stage.

all the work krs did to single handidly lengthen rap as a economic source of income in rap for hiphop as a culture.
is all being unraveled right as we look on.

anyone, globally naysaying krs,...
really does not want and did not ever really care about hiphop.
as krs singlehandedly created the rubrick, quality, sound, rhyme styles and technical rubrick.
to lengthen and create quality rap records, from the first to the last track.
on top of supplying the blueprint for the first high quality album mixtape as well, with a man and his music.

without krs,..rap and hiphop would be the fad.
that originally it was regarded as.

now, we are close to seeing the end, and the uneducated have no idea.
as they have been fooled into not acquiring the knowledge.
which is integral to their actual survival as impoverished people.
as hiphop is the only saving grace for poor people culturally.





art barr

 

[Jhoon]

when it comes to mase.
mase, distinctly and purposefully sold out.
by dumbing down his skillset and vocal tonality/mic presence/delivery.
plus, aligned with puff to desecrate the one of the greatest records in history.
not, just rap records, in history.
one of the greatest records in history on hold me down.

art barr

I'm going to agree with you. But I will say since I'm younger than you, I don't view Hold me Down as a travesty.

 

[Jhoon]

which is integral to their actual survival as impoverished people.
as hiphop is the only saving grace for poor people culturally.

I get why your passionate now. I totally agree with you.

 

[Jone2three45]

Brother @Art Barr when are you going to write that book breh

 

[Art Barr]

Brother @Art Barr when are you going to write that book breh

I lost my book I was writing...
I was almost done with it, too.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

I get why your passionate now. I totally agree with you.

hip hop, is the only thing that was left.
once, it is gone, completely.
there will be no actual real tangible hope to invest in.

if you partook in the culture and can feel how bleak it is now.
once, the culture has been wiped away.

imagine how it is gonna be.
once, they turn it fully into this gay disco.
they have planned for it.

people are gonna be miserable.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

I'm going to agree with you. But I will say since I'm younger than you, I don't view Hold me Down as a travesty.

hold me down, is the worst blow culturally to this culture and people that are impoverished.
without, the message...
hiphop and its pillars would have never had any semblance of awareness.
plus, the message could be looked at as.
the exact catalyst with white lines,....
that created the discovery zone.
to give impoverished people some breathing room.

back then,..
you thought the hood was bad then.
the hood now, really doesn't have the abundance of just the crazy man, in the hood.
who was an Vietnam trained vet killer who was not rehabilated.
back into normal American life, like other white soldiers were.
also,..people don't know.
back then,..the guys who went to Vietnam.
were soldiers that on American soil were convicted murders.
where back then, instead of jail.
they were given the choice of becoming soldiers in the Vietnam war.

so, hopefully you know what time it was.

shyt is about to be really really hard.

with no hiphop, I fear for us all.
as hiphop, actually dissolved the gangs in ny.
by giving them a purpose outside of common street life.
that is why the pillars being operational.
as profitable businesses was highly important.
now, we are down to one pillar, that can be profitable.
that pillar is close to becoming defunct...
just like graf, break'n, and dj'n were made to be.

as well, as them studying and disallowing us into film.
when, originally...
the action movie or the most profitable movie outside of the teen romance movie.
was the originally a black incarnation with:

sweet sweetback's bad ass song.



art barr

 

[CrimsonTider]

@Art Barr STFU nikka.

 

[Art Barr]

@Art Barr STFU nikka.

no nikka, with a bytch nikka in his avi is gonna make me, shut up though.
do I need to table you the fukk up to put you back in your place.


art barr