HOES KILLED HIP HOP...end of story

[Art Barr]

I hear you but those artists came from a time when there wasnt many artists selling albums. Krs sold but as soon as the mid 90's came it slowed down, which is why the singing on hooks"step into a world"and puffy remix came around in 97. EPMD, stopped right at the beginning of the 90's but solo, Parissh sold nothing being "Real Hip Hop", and Erick sold gold off of songs that were reall hip hop as well as songs that had a more commercial appeal. I liked all of them because I like music in general.

you need to get the full facts.
krs's draw was already attacked and nullified from rolling stones and media outlets in 1993.

he repaired his mainstream draw by highschool high soundtracks and re-establishing his goat draw with step into the world.
yet, the railroad screw job by puff.
whom, also disclosed he purposefully used krs.
to gain cultural sympathy erroneously, and later krs had to apologize for.
is why krs's draw was dulled and nullified again.
on top, of krs having a hard time adjusting technical skill wise in the 99 - early 2000's.
in the change of sonic gen, from boom bap to jiggy and slow bpm horrorcore/dj uneek style production.
that would soon be coined trap beats, later in the 2000's.

krs did not return to a fully actualized skill on this gen's production till his back to back classic with marley marl, and adventures in emcee'n.

epmd,...suffered from culturally selling one another out.
whereas, pmd, was looked at as a business scourge.
on top of failing to adjust to the production gen change skillwise as well.

Erick sermon suffered from lowkey rumors and issues socially.
that hampered his permeation past his, just like music triumph as a solo artist.
which is argueably one of the most spun rap instrumentals in history.

I get what you're saying but, I dont feel hip hop has to be in such a small box. As long as it has that funk, that groove, that soul vibe, everyhing will fall into place. The DJ will do his job better, the dancers will dl their job, and the artists will do their job. Everything revolves around the music and the feeljng it gives. You cant put that into a box, when you do the ship will start to sink. Look at the underground who claimed they had the real shyt, yet they are struggling to keep the hip hop going for real. Yeah, they try to keep it up with dj shows or graffitti and dancers but it looks forced and thats because the music is lacking that feeling. You can claim hip hop all day but if hat feeling isnt there it sill just be you rapping about it, nothing of substance will come of it. Whats funny is a lot of rappefs who claim real hip hop dont even give me that feeling that some commercial acts do wih some of their songs. Its like they think because they say they are hip hop, I'm supposed to believe it and feel it in the music.

you speak of an underground that was plagued in the late nineties by a race war.
that predicated on lesser skilled artist and racial climates.
all agitated and made completely worse by hiphopinfinity.com.

of which, I was there on the front lines as part of the second highest drawing act in the real underground.
who was not a former major label artist.
trying to pander to the underground after selling out.
plus, said racial climate and lack of skill climate.
is one of the reasons, I stopped partaking in that sector, as an artist.

what you feel to be, and what is reality are one in the same.
the underground is populated by uneducated and culture thieves and toys.
as well as the mainstream hopeful artist as well.

as I know firsthand.

KRS = I was there


art barr

 

[Rawster]

Let's blame it on the new generation of rappers with female tendencies not the Hoes ....we replaced hard rappers like DMX with nail painters like Young Thug...nobody's checking these homos Without checks and balances in any system it will tarnish. Then there's the subpar rapping ability...what happen to lyricism??? There was a time when you actually had to be intelligent to stand amongst the greatest, now it's all dikk riding. Stop making it so easy for these amateurs to get on.

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

My thoughts exactly!

Cats like to blame everyone but themselves. When most felt they didn't need to support dope shyt anymore because they could get it for free, while the ones who do (cacs, women etc.) only support the less desirable music, how the fukk you expect artists to cater to you?

exactly...brehs dont buy anything...download everything...and then expect artists to make music that caters to them instead of making music the paying customers want

 

[Wild self]

Lemme show...

What reason would a grown man have for riding round to songs like laffy taffy, stinky leg, or any other bullshyt, bytches song? I've seen nikkas switch co's when they get close to some birds. So basically nikkas are catering to them hoes.

It used be a bytch wouldn't even expect no real man to dance with them to some bullshyt ass song. Now...nikkas beat the hoes to the dance floor...

Sad shyt that dudes are simping and compromising their existence for some damn p*ssy.

 

[bouncy]

you sound offkey and lack faith in culture, breh.
what you are talembout, is rooted in pagan ideaology you are spewing.
you sound as though,..
you walk into the light, breh.

I don't walk into the light, or look for a first death.
so, spare me this gateway rhetoric.
I am to thorough for you to try that on me.
I don't entertain the premise on which you are basing your post's content on, either.
so, don't do it anymore.


art barr

Do your thing

 

[Art Barr]

Do your thing

no doubt,...
it is some recommended reading you need.
I just don't give it out over the net or phone.

if I ever see you in person.
I will give you the books you need.
you sound tainted, by forces I already defeated, and abandoned.
so, you need that knowledge.

art barr

 

[bouncy]

you need to get the full facts.
krs's draw was already attacked and nullified from rolling stones and media outlets in 1993.

he repaired his mainstream draw by highschool high soundtracks and re-establishing his goat draw with step into the world.
yet, the railroad screw job by puff.
whom, also disclosed he purposefully used krs.
to gain cultural sympathy erroneously, and later krs had to apologize for.
is why krs's draw was dulled and nullified again.
on top, of krs having a hard time adjusting technical skill wise in the 99 - early 2000's.
in the change of sonic gen, from boom bap to jiggy and slow bpm horrorcore/dj uneek style production.
that would soon be coined trap beats, later in the 2000's.

krs did not return to a fully actualized skill on this gen's production till his back to back classic with marley marl, and adventures in emcee'n.

epmd,...suffered from culturally selling one another out.
whereas, pmd, was looked at as a business scourge.
on top of failing to adjust to the production gen change skillwise as well.

Erick sermon suffered from lowkey rumors and issues socially.
that hampered his permeation past his, just like music triumph as a solo artist.
which is argueably one of the most spun rap instrumentals in history.





you speak of an underground that was plagued in the late nineties by a race war.
that predicated on lesser skilled artist and racial climates.
all agitated and made completely worse by hiphopinfinity.com.

of which, I was there on the front lines as part of the second highest drawing act in the real underground.
who was not a former major label artist.
trying to pander to the underground after selling out.
plus, said racial climate and lack of skill climate.
is one of the reasons, I stopped partaking in that sector, as an artist.

what you feel to be, and what is reality are one in the same.
the underground is populated by uneducated and culture thieves and toys.
as well as the mainstream hopeful artist as well.

as I know firsthand.

KRS = I was there


art barr

I don't agree with this at all. You are taking some things that happened and making it out to be total truths. Nobody in the hood was reading Rolling Stones so that had no impact on krs one. People just wanted a different flow from him, and better music, which is why when he came with return of the boom bap people was happy and he sold records again. You can't keep blaming mainstream media or rappers doing sellout things for the fall of hip hop. A lot of it was just artists making regular or just straight wack songs.

Erick suffered from not growing also. When "music" came out everyone was loving it. His shyt just kept sounding the same after a while, even though it was still banging. I do think the rumors hurt a little but not by that much. The sound of hip hop,changed and people wanted something new. It just that simple. And he probably couldn't get any new deals.

As far as underground, I'm talking about in 90-97, after that it was cool but not the same, the good thing was some people was eating real good compared to 90-97. I as well as others got tired of hearing hip hop this hip hop that, to prove your a real bboy when we all grew up in it and lived it at least in NYC. It was our culture, even for those who wasn't too much into the music. It was about the music and if it was banging. It was about can the dj rock the party or make a banging mixtape. The dancing started dieing out because people weren't looking at the dance floor so serious when the dance circle started popping off, the was trying to get ladies, grind up on something, get fukked up, and hear the jams. The graffiti writers died down because there wasn't a lot of place to bomb where everyone can see your art because the new trains, made it hard to write on, plus the fun of bombing and not getting caught wasn't there anymore. These are the reasons the dj and the rapper lasted. Yeah, corporations played a part but most of it was just natural evolution, the same with the rapper and dj. The dj turned into the producer, and the rapper turned into the ill thinking poet, instead of being the emcee for a party.

Please stop making it be something bigger then it was. Yeah, some rappers sold out but not as bad as you are making it sound. A lot of these kids don't know what we called selling out was having a singer on the hook of a song, having a commercial sound meaning not a lot of heavy drums(white folks hated the drum for some reason)or doing a commercial and selling stuff for corporations. Now that I'm older I realize those things weren't bad in themselves, it was the executions that were bad. If the artists used the money right we wouldn't be talking about how did hip hop fukk up because we would be controlling it. As far as the singing hooks, when it started being done right, it made the songs sound tight, but some people still didn't like it because they we're "real hip hop heads" which is another reason why hip hop got divided and conquered and we have the division we have today, although it isn't as bad as it used to be. Even I was a hater until I learned to accept people having a different experience with hip hop than I did but we were still related because it had that groove and I can relate to them regardless of where they were from. To some people being hip hop was the hardcore gangbanger who was smoking joints pop locking, drinking 40's, and being the cool guy. I witnessed this so it was easy for me to accept even though I'm from NYC. But in NYC it was kind of the same thing, just he was a guy who knew how to dress, even when he was broke, and was a talented cool cat. The herb helped me see this. It is what it is though.

 

[Art Barr]

I don't agree with this at all. You are taking some things that happened and making it out to be total truths. Nobody in the hood was reading Rolling Stones so that had no impact on krs one. People just wanted a different flow from him, and better music, which is why when he came with return of the boom bap people was happy and he sold records again. You can't keep blaming mainstream media or rappers doing sellout things for the fall of hip hop. A lot of it was just artists making regular or just straight wack songs.

Erick suffered from not growing also. When "music" came out everyone was loving it. His shyt just kept sounding the same after a while, even though it was still banging. I do think the rumors hurt a little but not by that much. The sound of hip hop,changed and people wanted something new. It just that simple. And he probably couldn't get any new deals.

As far as underground, I'm talking about in 90-97, after that it was cool but not the same, the good thing was some people was eating real good compared to 90-97. I as well as others got tired of hearing hip hop this hip hop that, to prove your a real bboy when we all grew up in it and lived it at least in NYC. It was our culture, even for those who wasn't too much into the music. It was about the music and if it was banging. It was about can the dj rock the party or make a banging mixtape. The dancing started dieing out because people weren't looking at the dance floor so serious when the dance circle started popping off, the was trying to get ladies, grind up on something, get fukked up, and hear the jams. The graffiti writers died down because there wasn't a lot of place to bomb where everyone can see your art because the new trains, made it hard to write on, plus the fun of bombing and not getting caught wasn't there anymore. These are the reasons the dj and the rapper lasted. Yeah, corporations played a part but most of it was just natural evolution, the same with the rapper and dj. The dj turned into the producer, and the rapper turned into the ill thinking poet, instead of being the emcee for a party.

Please stop making it be something bigger then it was. Yeah, some rappers sold out but not as bad as you are making it sound. A lot of these kids don't know what we called selling out was having a singer on the hook of a song, having a commercial sound meaning not a lot of heavy drums(white folks hated the drum for some reason)or doing a commercial and selling stuff for corporations. Now that I'm older I realize those things weren't bad in themselves, it was the executions that were bad. If the artists used the money right we wouldn't be talking about how did hip hop fukk up because we would be controlling it. As far as the singing hooks, when it started being done right, it made the songs sound tight, but some people still didn't like it because they we're "real hip hop heads" which is another reason why hip hop got divided and conquered and we have the division we have today, although it isn't as bad as it used to be. Even I was a hater until I learned to accept people having a different experience with hip hop than I did but we were still related because it had that groove and I can relate to them regardless of where they were from. To some people being hip hop was the hardcore gangbanger who was smoking joints pop locking, drinking 40's, and being the cool guy. I witnessed this so it was easy for me to accept even though I'm from NYC. But in NYC it was kind of the same thing, just he was a guy who knew how to dress, even when he was broke, and was a talented cool cat. The herb helped me see this. It is what it is though.

shyt feel off because the culture was stripped away.
little by little, small victory by small victory.

you are eliminating the profound nature of their small victories.
from having relevance in your correlation and attributing it to the wrong factors.

I already been in the wrong frame of consciousness you are in, and evolved a long time ago.

there is a reason, why I am noted here.
as I have assailed and experienced all you talk, mentally/culturally and more.
that is why I know where you are and are giving a pass.
especially being from ny.
as, it is hard for ny people to accept they also helped compromise the mecca.
to what it is now, and why it is remedied as a non-draw on purpose.
as the mecca allowed the highest bidder and chief culture thieves amoung them to take it from them.



art barr

 

[bouncy]

shyt feel off because the culture was stripped away.
little by little, small victory by small victory.

you are eliminating the profound nature of their small victories.
from having relevance in your correlation and attributing it to the wrong factors.

I already been in the wrong frame of consciousness you are in, and evolved a long time ago.

there is a reason, why I am noted here.
as I have assailed and experienced all you talk, mentally/culturally and more.
that is why I know where you are and are giving a pass.
especially being from ny.
as, it is hard for ny people to accept they also helped compromise the mecca.
to what it is now, and why it is remedied as a non-draw on purpose.
as the mecca allowed the highest bidder and chief culture thieves amoung them to take it from them.



art barr

You might be right, I can admit when I'm wrong. The thing is I thought just like you until I started seeing the world in a different light. I believe "the spirit"( I call It that for lack of a better word) comes into situations to help make thing better for people, and devils try to control. It then moves to other places to start over since it could never be captured. It sounds crazy, but when I look at history this is what I see happening. This is why you could never have something pure and give that good feeling hip hop used to give us and last long, the "devil" is always trying to capture it and control it but you can't contain a spirit. Think about all the music we created that was pure and made us feel good but was eventually lost to companies of evil intentions. Jazz and blues, then went to rock&roll, which then went to r&b/soul, then to funk, then to rap, then that form of rap went to conscious rap, then gangsta, then lyricism, then jiggy, then trap,etc.

The point is all of these forms of music started out with a message, and trying to make us feel good, then they got brought out and then had no life, at least give the feeling it once gave. Even gangsta rap had a message, and gave a good feeling when it first started being made. The same for trap music. What's funny is gospel is the only one that never got conquered like the others. When I hear gospel, I still get that emotional movement now, as I did when my grandmother played it when I was a child. It may be cause gospel is about uplifting yourself in general so it's hard to taint that, while other forms of music, especially rap, deals with using a negative to make something positive so it can be tainted more easier.

 

[Dzali OG]

NY falling off was a huge blow too. NY was the keeper of hip hop and it was compromised. Thank the Pac/Biggie war, followed by Puff squirming his way in as an artist.

I'm from the south but......Master P blowing up was another knock out. Before P, a lot of southern hip hop actually attempted to be hip hop. They would have elements of hip hop such as scratching and sampling. Think of acts like get boys. Even think of Luke and 2 live crew, their do was actually awesome, did some nice digging and mixing.

P came with the (we trying to keep all the money so fukk sampling). On top of that he had no skills. Paid no respect to the core of hip hop. With this the South as a whole turned its back to hip hop And Embraced Music made by less skilled artist who sounded like them .

As a result, on the sly, artist like Jigga and dmx Aimed For Southern Acceptance Because The Money Was Down here.

But over all, hip hop fukked up by not owning itself. The first few artist who became millionaires should have purchased hip hops future and insured regulation.

 

[Art Barr]

You might be right, I can admit when I'm wrong. The thing is I thought just like you until I started seeing the world in a different light. I believe "the spirit"( I call It that for lack of a better word) comes into situations to help make thing better for people, and devils try to control. It then moves to other places to start over since it could never be captured. It sounds crazy, but when I look at history this is what I see happening. This is why you could never have something pure and give that good feeling hip hop used to give us and last long, the "devil" is always trying to capture it and control it but you can't contain a spirit. Think about all the music we created that was pure and made us feel good but was eventually lost to companies of evil intentions. Jazz and blues, then went to rock&roll, which then went to r&b/soul, then to funk, then to rap, then that form of rap went to conscious rap, then gangsta, then lyricism, then jiggy, then trap,etc.

The point is all of these forms of music started out with a message, and trying to make us feel good, then they got brought out and then had no life, at least give the feeling it once gave. Even gangsta rap had a message, and gave a good feeling when it first started being made. The same for trap music. What's funny is gospel is the only one that never got conquered like the others. When I hear gospel, I still get that emotional movement now, as I did when my grandmother played it when I was a child. It may be cause gospel is about uplifting yourself in general so it's hard to taint that, while other forms of music, especially rap, deals with using a negative to make something positive so it can be tainted more easier.

the new school way of thought.
was made so that spirit was never tainted.
as the oldschool was tainted and through krs was ushered out.

certain factors ruined krs and scott la rock from making it impregnable.
such as scott's death.
right when the first rap million dollar deal was on the table.
that would have set in motion.
the ability to filter the culture thieves from damaging the newschool way of thought artist.

yet, this culture had precepts and mores instilled.
that were directly violated by those put in power to protect us after scot's death.
of which, they violated.
as hiphop was a pre-emptive and prescient culture.
as well as it business were made to be prescient of the past.
so, it did not fall prey, as it once did in the old school way of thought.
all into the newschool way of thought conversion.

it is just the culture was disrespected by those with admin and capital power.
to compromise those who did not have who were weak.

now, we are all in a weakened state.
that is beyond any repair.
when there maybe no real new krs to come and realign what was lost.

people call me krs of this community.
I am going to do what I can, here and other places.

it is up to the other people to give me more power to do it, though.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

NY falling off was a huge blow too. NY was the keeper of hip hop and it was compromised. Thank the Pac/Biggie war, followed by Puff squirming his way in as an artist.

I'm from the south but......Master P blowing up was another knock out. Before P, a lot of southern hip hop actually attempted to be hip hop. They would have elements of hip hop such as scratching and sampling. Think of acts like get boys. Even think of Luke and 2 live crew, their do was actually awesome, did some nice digging and mixing.

P came with the (we trying to keep all the money so fukk sampling). On top of that he had no skills. Paid no respect to the core of hip hop. With this the South as a whole turned its back to hip hop And Embraced Music made by less skilled artist who sounded like them .

As a result, on the sly, artist like Jigga and dmx Aimed For Southern Acceptance Because The Money Was Down here.

But over all, hip hop fukked up by not owning itself. The first few artist who became millionaires should have purchased hip hops future and insured regulation.

prolific posting!!!


art barr

 

[bouncy]

the new school way of thought.
was made so that spirit was never tainted.
as the oldschool was tainted and through krs was ushered out.

certain factors ruined krs and scott la rock from making it impregnable.
such as scott's death.
right when the first rap million dollar deal was on the table.
that would have set in motion.
the ability to filter the culture thieves from damaging the newschool way of thought artist.

yet, this culture had precepts and mores instilled.
that were directly violated by those put in power to protect us after scot's death.
of which, they violated.
as hiphop was a pre-emptive and prescient culture.
as well as it business were made to be prescient of the past.
so, it did not fall prey, as it once did in the old school way of thought.
all into the newschool way of thought conversion.

it is just the culture was disrespected by those with admin and capital power.
to compromise those who did not have who were weak.

now, we are all in a weakened state.
that is beyond any repair.
when there maybe no real new krs to come and realign what was lost.

people call me krs of this community.
I am going to do what I can, here and other places.

it is up to the other people to give me more power to do it, though.


art barr

You really think you can come up with rules that can maintain a culture when everyone around you is broke?. The only time rules will be followed is when everyone have access to resources to live an enjoyable life. This is why white supremacy is still the ruler of the world, those who follow it can eat good but, it won't lasts because it's rooted in ignorance and lies. I love krsone but, hip hop will never stay the same, just come in another form, until black people can come up with a form of gaining financial stability so most of us can enjoy life in all areas. Then we can make our own rules for all to follow.

 

[Grand Champ]

I never understood this whole Black people dont support albums bullshyt, thats a big myth. If a artist go platinum or some shyt people will say White people bought it, but it the artist flop they say Black people dont support. Look at it like this. Life is good still aint go gold yet and he has mad White fans too, so whos fault is that the album didnt sell? Ghosts' Fishscale aint go gold and Raes Ob4cl2 didnt either. See what Im saying? I could continue but i'll stop there. Im not tryna diss White people at all, but stop blaming shyt on Black people, that shyt corny. Us HipHop fans as a whole should take the blame, not a single race. If you love the album buy it. Simple as that.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

P came with the (we trying to keep all the money so fukk sampling). On top of that he had no skills. Paid no respect to the core of hip hop. With this the South as a whole turned its back to hip hop And Embraced Music made by less skilled artist who sounded like them .

As a result, on the sly, artist like Jigga and dmx Aimed For Southern Acceptance Because The Money Was Down here.

But over all, hip hop fukked up by not owning itself. The first few artist who became millionaires should have purchased hip hops future and insured regulation.

FALSE.

no limit stayed paying money for samples. and they stayed paying respect to the core of hip-hop and its pioneers. and P also put on way more legit southern emcees than any other rapper or ceo has ever done.

and youre talking about blaming the south, but no limit were the biggest southern pioneers, meaning they were selling more records outside of the south than everybody that came before them. that includes east coast sales.