History of Why Other Minority Groups Will Always ‘Outwork’ Black People.

[BigMan]

Success is when opportunity meets preparation. I've read this quote several times.

The author of the WP article misleading downplays the preparation aspect. "It wasn't because of education" is clearly misleading. Like I said before, when the legislation removed some of the barriers....people who had valued education/entrepreneurship flourished over others.

There's a class of old money Blacks from down south who were 3-4th generation Fisk & Morehouse graduates who FEASTED after the Civil Rights legislation.
There are Blacks throughout the country who, though resource poor , ALWAYS stressed education to their children...and when things opened up.....they took advantage of opportunities and helped create or expand some of the thriving Black cities and sections of the country...think ATL or PG county in DMV. This is the birth of the modern Black middle class.

Other Americans benefited from the expansion of opportunities afforded by the Civil Rights Era. Nobody more than Asians and Jews, not even the African Americans who fought the hardest against discrimination. That these cultures have promoted education/achievement for thousands of years CANNOT be dismissed. I think we will agree that generally speaking that they were the most prepared to take advantage to how things opened up for non WASP males after the Civil Right Era. "It wasn't education" is misleading title and premise.

If not education, why did the groups/subgroups who most strongly valued education benefit the most?


As far as the 3 things listed for Asian success in America, I've been calling BS on number 2 all thread long.

Quote from the article

n 1980, for instance, even Asian high school dropouts were earning about as much as white high school dropouts, and vastly more than black high school dropouts. This dramatic shift had nothing to do with Asians accruing more education. Instead, Hilger points to the slow dismantling of discriminatory institutions after World War II, and the softening of racist prejudices. That’s the same the explanation advanced by economists Harriet Orcutt Duleep and Seth Sanders, who found that in the second half of the 20th century, Asian Americans not only started to work in more lucrative industries, but also started to get paid more for the same kind of work.

Yall need to read. again youre not disagreeing with the article at all. Here is the study by Hilger reference in the article
http://ftp.iza.org/dp6639.pdf

Our findings suggest that anti-Asian labor market discrimination was the predominate cause of the 1960 wage gap and that improvements from 1960 to 1980 in the relative wages of American-born Asian men were almost entirely due to a decline in anti-Asian discrimination. Although much of the policy focus of the civil rights era was directed at reducing discrimination against African Americans, our findings suggest a prominent post-Civil Rights Act labor market effect for Asians

 

[HopeKillCure]

I took 3 quotes from the fukking article. even edited inside them and this dumbass tells me I didn't read it.


Way to set the tone, you've already told me a lot about how you think.





Jobs weren't mentioned. You didn't read the article.

Every piece of data in the article references median household income. Read the article. No data for overall employment nor anything tracking hiring discrimination.

Median household income is too broad of a figure to make solid deductions off. It doesn't speak to the kind of career the house earner has, the makeup of the family, who is the breadwinner and their circumstances etc. (2 parent house income vs single parent household income)




There is no proof in either the original article nor the paper the article was based on that solidly proves this. Hell the only evidence of it is a sentence from a newspaper here, a snippet from an essay there.....The point of propaganda is for it to be widespread.

I mean they were still doing racist movies in yellowface during the 60s and beyond.


The propaganda element is more so racists at the time weaponizing asian progress as an act of spite toward the black civil rights movement. Simple as that.



Where did I make that argument?

You didn't read my post. You didn't read the article. Read the article. Read my post.


Is this the best example of "appeal to authority" fallacy on the internet?

CTFUUUUU @ ASIAN being the authority. Not [asian] historian, not [asian] professor.


Just asian. Nothing on the article said he was Ivy League but since he's asian I guess he's gotta be

"An asian told me this, it must be 1000% correct" ass nikka. This isn't a peer reviewed study, it's a fukkin opinion piece lmao. Dude is a journalist


Yo this really funny. I needed that.


Don't talk to me until you understand the shyt you're quoting well enough to defend it without going "b-b-but I quoted an asian, this must be true!!"

You really wasted your time writing this.

Until you prove you are black I’m not even gonna read it.


If you admit that you are not black, or prove that you are actually black, I will read and respond to every single thing posted.

It’s about honesty. I don’t want to waste time arguing with some deceptive, fake race troll

 

[BigMan]

You think so? Cool.

This is your problem, you automatically want to compare yourself to some preconceived notion you have of me, because deep down you feel inferior, so actually it's you who are projecting.

But the difference is I, on the other hand, don't give a fukk about you. That's the Asian way.

Why would i feel inferior to you? You're a poor coolie who cannot read a short article or click links because youre afraid of having your sense of self worth challenged. Look at my last posts and try to refute any of the points made.

 

[get these nets]

Quote from the article
Yall need to read. again youre not disagreeing with the article at all. Here is the study by Hilger reference in the article
http://ftp.iza.org/dp6639.pdf

Perhaps I'm disagreeing with the tone of the article and thread.

 

[BigMan]

Perhaps I'm disagreeing with the tone of the article and thread.

the article is not the best written but the points is makes are sound. anyone that disagrees with the facts is just parroting cac model minority rhetoric.

 

[get these nets]

the article is not the best written but the points is makes are sound. anyone that disagrees with the facts is just parroting cac model minority rhetoric.

do you feel the title is accurate or misleading?

I feel it's deliberately misleading....and it's written in a pandering manner...like some of Tim Wise's articles.

I think a person can disagree with points and inferences.For example...I still disagree with the author's claim that anti asian stereotypes in popular media went away for the timeframe discussed. I think that part is false and cited reasons why.

 

[Mowgli]

Elite cacs have been using other groups as buffers since the 1700s.

Back then, fearing frontiersman whites and your run if the mill white trash they sent whites west to claim territory from native tribes, giving them a piece of the pie.

Later, after multiracial rebellions whites would buy off cac rebels, offer them pardons and uktimately give them some crumbs in the form of jobs which crrated another buffer for black people to chop through.

Same con been going on for centuries.

Foreign investment makes it easier for groups to get ahead

 

[BigMan]

do you feel the title is accurate or misleading?

I feel it's deliberately misleading....and it's written in a pandering manner...like some of Tim Wise's articles.

Yeah the title is misleading. but most of the article's argument rests on the study they linked which is sound

 

[get these nets]

Yeah the title is misleading. but most of the article's argument rests on the study they linked which is sound

I think a person can disagree with points and inferences.For example...I still disagree with the author's claim that anti asian stereotypes in popular media went away( or lessened) for the timeframe discussed. I think that part is false and cited reasons why.

 

[HopeKillCure]

Elite cacs have been using other groups as buffers since the 1700s.

Back then, fearing frontiersman whites and your run if the mill white trash they sent whites west to claim territory from native tribes, giving them a piece of the pie.

Later, after multiracial rebellions whites would buy off cac rebels, offer them pardons and uktimately give them some crumbs in the form of jobs which crrated another buffer for black people to chop through.

Same con been going on for centuries.

Facts.

It really seems like nikkahs have been getting tricked by the same thing for centuries too.

Judging by the responses here, I can only imagine what type of over the top responses black people were on back then to these same tricks when we didn’t have access to all this information like we do now/

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Yoooo

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Why would i feel inferior to you? You're a poor coolie who cannot read a short article or click links because youre afraid of having your sense of self worth challenged. Look at my last posts and try to refute any of the points made.

I dunno you tell me. You all of a sudden want to tell me how much better off you are than me as if that matters to anyone. People who do that are often over compensating for something. That's probably why you are so quick to co-sign this article, it soothes your biases. In fact, that's it's main purpose.

 

[BigMan]

I think a person can disagree with points and inferences.For example...I still disagree with the author's claim that anti asian stereotypes in popular media went away( or lessened) for the timeframe discussed. I think that part is false and cited reasons why.

idk, i think there was a big reduction in the "Chinaman taking white women" and yellow peril media depictions in the 1800s to 1950s and the images of Asians from the 60s onward. Keep in mind the US signed laws to excluse Asians from the US and then in the 20th century repealed those and brought in hundreds of thousands of immigrants and refugees

 

[BigMan]

I dunno you tell me. You all of a sudden want to tell me how much better off you are than me as if that matters to anyone. People who do that are often over compensating for something. That's probably why you are so quick to co-sign this article, it soothes your biases. In fact, that's it's main purpose.

I'm telling you i'm better than you because i am you illiterate coolie. if you're going to parrot wannacac rhetoric i'll tell you about yourself. You still haven't read anything in the article and are debating based on feelings and insecurity.

Read the below posts and link. If you can't understand i can break it down further for your dumb ass.

Quote from the article
Yall need to read. again youre not disagreeing with the article at all. Here is the study by Hilger reference in the article
http://ftp.iza.org/dp6639.pdf

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I'm telling you i'm better than you because i am you illiterate coolie. if you're going to parrot wannacac rhetoric i'll tell you about yourself. You still haven't read anything in the article and are debating based on feelings and insecurity.

Read the below posts and link. If you can't understand i can break it down further for your dumb ass.

You can be better than me, that's fine.

What you fail or refuse to acknowledge is that in Asian culture education doesn't begin in school, it begins in the home. Asians don't depend on public schools to educate their children, they only send them there for the formal paperwork required to advance in the North American wilderness.

In Asian culture the elders and teachers (or 'guru' ) is as good as GOD. You believe the white man is God and wonder why you fukked up. Everything revolves around him for you. You're literally obsessed. So when you see a Asian person buying up the block you can't comprehend it. Instead of peeping game you want to throw salt. That's all this is really about.