Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[smokeurobinson]

@smokeurobinson

I noticed you never responded to my response

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/hip-...re-self-inflicted.417239/page-6#post-18629770

Yeah I never responded to u because I told u to show and prove and u didnt....I remember specifically saying post 5 "popular" Jazz/blues/whatever songs.....What u did was u posted songs that werent popular. You posted songs that were back then called "underground"...Like for instance...I posted a song on Youtube by Hot Breath Hanna a few years ago...




I posted this on Youtube because of the nostalgia.....This was a song that my Grandmother said wasnt for kids so when she wasnt around we snuck and listened to it.....Back in the 50's this is what was considered raunchy but it was considered "underground." Yet when you listen to the lyrics there isnt anything raunchy about it judging by todays standards. This song was some down south sh*t that was mostly word of mouth...Not Popular. You see where u messed up was U started reaching...U didnt even try. You posted songs that werent getting radioplay or were popular in the mainstream. How could something underground paint a stereotypical picture of Blackpeople when only those who are paying attention to underground music hear it?? If you would have posted My Ding A Ling by Chuck Berry...



....then you would have been in the ballpark but you didnt.

Now I cant speak for the 50's but in the 80's they did play this song on the radio and when it came on the radio....the whole room would light up in my grandmothers house....U see homie, you cant bullsh*t someone whos well aware of what.....My knowledge on jazz/blues is pretty average enough to know that what u posted was underground and not popular. My old school collection is extensive enough that I dont have to look to youtube like u did...I could just look at my collection and know whats up.

....u started reaching by posting songs that werent popular but actually underground so I ignored you


Also......The fact that u would post underground songs further dismisses your claims that raunchy jazz songs were there first time the stereotypes of Blackfolks was self inflicted. If something is underground then its not the popular image homie, unlike Hip Hop.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

stereotype
: to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same




Meach...It sounds like you have never seen racism online because if u have you would notice that most racism towards Blackfolks tends to always revolve around specific stereotypes. A few of these Black stereotypes usually fall in the category of Black people being 1) lazy 2) poor 3) focused on name brand clothing while being financially unstable.



Now peep the chorus of Big Tymers hit "Stay Fly"

Gator Boots, with the pimped out Gucci suit
Ain't got no job, but I stay sharp
Can't pay my rent, cause all my money's spent
but thats OK, cause I'm still fly
got a quarter tank gas in my new E-class
But that's alright cause I'm gon' ride
got everything in my moma's name
but I'm hood rich da dada dada da


Now since you say that stereotypes cant be self inflicted.....what would you call the chorus to this song??

That's one person talking about himself.

 

[smokeurobinson]

That's one person talking about himself.

actually thats 2 people on the chorus...But I digress




another popular stereotype about Blackpeople is that Blackpeople are 1) violent 2) disrespectful to their own women and 3) always involved in criminal activity


Now peep this verse to Bobby Shmurdas hit "Hot nikka"

And We Keep them 9 millis on my block, nikka
And Monte Keep it on him, he done dropped nikkas
And Trigger he be wilding, he some hot nikka
Tones known to get busy with them Glocks, nikka
Try to run down and you can catch a shot, nikka
Running through these checks 'til I pass out
Your shorty gave me neck 'til I pass out
I swear to God, all I do is cash out
And if you ain't a hoe, get up out my trap house
I been selling crack since like the 5th grade
Really never made no difference what the shyt made
Jaja taught me flip them packs and how to maintain
Get that money back and spend it on the same thing



Now since you say that stereotypes cant be self inflicted.....what would you call this verse?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

actually thats 2 people on the chorus...But I digress




another popular stereotype about Blackpeople is that Blackpeople are 1) violent 2) disrespectful to their own women and 3) always involved in criminal activity


Now peep this verse to Bobby Shmurdas hit "Hot nikka"

And We Keep them 9 millis on my block, nikka
And Monte Keep it on him, he done dropped nikkas
And Trigger he be wilding, he some hot nikka
Tones known to get busy with them Glocks, nikka
Try to run down and you can catch a shot, nikka
Running through these checks 'til I pass out
Your shorty gave me neck 'til I pass out
I swear to God, all I do is cash out
And if you ain't a hoe, get up out my trap house
I been selling crack since like the 5th grade
Really never made no difference what the shyt made
Jaja taught me flip them packs and how to maintain
Get that money back and spend it on the same thing



Now since you say that stereotypes cant be self inflicted.....what would you call this verse?

One person saying some ignorant stuff.

Do you know what a stereotype is

 

[smokeurobinson]

One person saying some ignorant stuff.

Do you know what a stereotype is

I'm gonna have to end this right here because we arent really having a conversation where we are building. I gave u Websters definition in post #210 and u quoted it...Yet u have the nerve to ask me that question which tells me u arent even paying attention. So I'll just end this right now. You can have the last word.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I'm gonna have to end this right here because we arent really having a conversation where we are building. I gave u Websters definition in post #210 and u quoted it...Yet u have the nerve to ask me that question which tells me u arent even paying attention. So I'll just end this right now

Yes and the lyrics you posted don't fit the definition you posted.

You aren't trying to build, you are just typing up dumb shyt onto a forum

 

[IllmaticDelta]

My knowledge on jazz/blues is pretty average enough to know that what u posted was underground and not popular. My old school collection is extensive enough that I dont have to look to youtube like u did...I could just look at my collection and know whats up.

....u started reaching by posting songs that werent popular but actually underground so I ignored you

you don't don't have a deep understanding of Blues/Jazz history so you don't know the full context of what Im talking about

Also......The fact that u would post underground songs further dismisses your claims that raunchy jazz songs were there first time the stereotypes of Blackfolks was self inflicted. If something is underground then its not the popular image homie, unlike Hip Hop.

See above...if you knew the full context of Jazz/Blues you would better understand part of the reason Rhythm and Blues wasn't played on white radio and was then rebranded as "Rock N Roll" w/o full knowledge of what that term actually meant.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Yes and the lyrics you posted don't fit the definition you posted.

You aren't trying to build, you are just typing up dumb shyt onto a forum

My last response to you because you just said something thats false:


This is the order that made my post:

1) stereotype
: to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same


2) A few of these Black stereotypes usually fall in the category of Black people being 1) lazy 2) poor 3) focused on name brand clothing while being financially unstable.


3) another popular stereotype about Blackpeople is that Blackpeople are 1) violent 2) disrespectful to their own women and 3) always involved in criminal activity




Yet according to you the lyrics I posted dont fit the definition...


Like I said...U arent building ......you just negate everything even if I show and prove.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

My last response to you because you just said something thats false:


This is the order that made my post:

1) stereotype
: to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same


2) A few of these Black stereotypes usually fall in the category of Black people being 1) lazy 2) poor 3) focused on name brand clothing while being financially unstable.


3) another popular stereotype about Blackpeople is that Blackpeople are 1) violent 2) disrespectful to their own women and 3) always involved in criminal activity




Yet according to you the lyrics I posted dont fit the definition...


Like I said...U arent building ......you just negate everything even if I show and prove.

So, name a stereotype that is not "self inflicted"

 

[smokeurobinson]

.if you knew the full context of Jazz/Blues you would better understand part of the reason Rhythm and Blues wasn't played on white radio .

Dude.....u just said that jazz/blues/R&B wasn't getting airplay like that on mainstream..

Thank you for admitting that old school R&B/Jazz/Blues was not the first time on a grand scale where the stereotypes of Black people were self inflicted.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Put it this way @smokeurobinson

Going by your definition.


to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same.

By definition a stereotype is an UNFAIR belief. Therefore it could never be "self inflicted"

The stereotype is created and propagated by the believer of said stereotype.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Dude.....u just said that jazz/blues/R&B wasn't getting airplay like that on mainstream..

Thank you for admitting that old school R&B/Jazz/Blues was not the first time on a grand scale where the stereotypes of Black people were self inflicted.

Again, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Even w/o play on white radio, white people heard these songs through records.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Again, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Even w/o play on white radio, white people heard these songs through records.

OK....I dont know what I'm talking about but where is the self inflicted stereotypes in the song u just posted?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

OK....I dont know what I'm talking about but where is the self inflicted stereotypes in the songs u just posted?

if you knew the full history of how blues/jazz was view by many white people, you wouldn't have to ask that question