Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

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why did u tag me?

Dudes whole argument that u just quoted says we were looked at as oversexed criminals by whitefolks because old school R&B started self inflicting stereotypes.(Even tho a lot of the most popular Jazz was music with no lyrics)

Jazz before the Bebop era was heavy on lyrics

Thats the first time EVER in my life , I heard someone say whitefolks stereotyped us because of old school R&B. :what:

thats because you don't know wtf you're talking about


Thats how I know it was a sad reach as a rebuttle.


Not a reach at all



  • The introduction of rhythm and blues into the mainstream in 1955 was the start of rock and roll
    1. The "first wave" of rock and roll performers included black performers and white performers
      • Fats Domino
      • Little Richard
      • Chuck Berry
      • Elvis Presley
      • Jerry Lee Lewis
      • Bill Haley
      • Buddy Holly
  • The golden age of rock and roll: 1955-1960
    1. Different from Tin Pan Alley, country and western or rhythm and blues
    2. Older generations viewed rock and roll as a threat
      • Believed to encourage unacceptable moral practices
      • These practices were associated with black culture
    3. Middle-class teenagers listening to the music in large numbers
      • Lucrative market for record companies
      • White teenagers embraced this as their own style
  1. White middle-class teenagers embraced rhythm and blues
    • Knowing parents wouldn't approve of suggestive lyrics
    • This could be children's form of social rebellion
    • Allowed an alternative to assimilating into their parents' adult world culture

      • Rhythm and blues hits were covered by white artists with cleaned up lyrics
        1. Rhythm and blues hits frequently focused on sexual innuendo
          • Joe Turner's hit "Shake, Rattle, and Roll"
          • "(We're Gonna) Rock Around the Clock"
          • Dominoes' "Sixty Minute Man" (r1, 1951)
          • Ruth Brown's "5-10-15 Hours" (rl, 1952)
          • Ravens' "Rock Me All Night Long" (r4, 1952)
          • Midnighters with Hank Ballard "Work with Me, Annie" (rl, 1954)
          • Midnighters with Hank Ballard "Annie Had a Baby" (rl, 1954)
          • Georgia Gibbs' "Dance with Me Henry" was a #2 pop hit
        2. Often lyric references to sex were replaced with references to dancing
        3. White artists covered these and many others with less offensive lyrics


What's That Sound? • W. W. Norton and Company, Inc.

Morality

Music has historically been, and continues to be, censored in an attempt to enforce morality. It’s not a coincidence that music censorship in America began to accelerate during the 1950s, when traditional and conservative values began to unravel. At the time, order, strict obedience to authority, and conservative values were part of the accepted mindset. With the advent of rock ‘n’ roll, however, young America began to loosen attitudes on issues relating to morality. Technology also played an important part in shaping the moral power struggle in the 1950s. For example, the 1920s era saw similar complaints against flappers and jazz musicians; however, radio wasn’t as dominant at that time. In the 1950s, radio provided access to new types of music that challenged traditional morality and created the dynamics for music censorship.

Moral authorities aim to determine what behavior is “acceptable” for individuals and for society. Drugs, violence, and especially sex are topics moral authorities attempt to regulate. The end of the 1950s witnessed many members of society, particularly young adults and teens begin expressing new attitudes about these topics: Sex and drugs were no longer hidden and secretive acts, but something to be exposed and celebrated. This shift in outlook began breaking down the traditional moral order in many aspects of society – especially music.

Racial motivations

Race may seem a strange factor in music censorship, but it has played a significant role. In particular, the 1950s and early 1960s saw a new genre of music -- rhythm and blues -- emerge onto the national music landscape. R&B music included freely expressed sexual desires, clear drug references, and other features that were not as prevalent in other forms of popular music. R&B was – and still is—dominated by black musicians and traditionally was enjoyed mainly by black audiences. When its audience expanded to include mainstream white youths and young adults, this was a problem for many older whites who considered R&B music as a threat that corrupted young people and promoted immoral behavior.

This phenomenon prompted moral authorities to take action. In 1955, for example, Houston’s Juvenile Delinquency and Crime Commission banned more than 30 songs – many by black artists. A Chicago radio station promised to censor “any controversial music, especially R&B,” after receiving letters from angry listeners. (Sparrow)

Racially motivated music censorship is not a practice limited to the past. More recent cases involve MTV refusing to air videos from many black artists in the infancy of the network. In 1983, during a live interview, David Bowie suddenly asked, “Why are there practically no black artists on the network?” (“Why it Took MTV So Long”) Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean” from the album Thriller, released in 1983, is credited with being the first black video aired on MTV in heavy rotation.

The argument can be made that racial motivations also played a large role in the FBI’s 1989 letter to the rap group N.W.A. (Nuzum) The F.B.I.’s intent was to notify the rap group that their song “fukk Tha Police” wasn’t appreciated by the government. N.W.A. supporters argue the group was only expressing the frustrations of inner-city blacks and holding a mirror to their everyday reality. While no legal action took place, the example helps give context to the pressures behind government and music censorship.


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all forms of black music have been demonised by white people. you cant deny that. your arguing that rap done by individuals is self inflicted stereotypes (thug culture, crime, drugs, murder)

when things they said about us back then was we were hypersexual and brutish (do you know they had an old sterotype about black men and weed and they were afraid it gave us super strength and that we would rape their women?:sas1:)

To add to that

Hokum Blues and Sexual Lyrics



 

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No lies told, but I honestly think you gotta be pretty naive to believe that black people collectively celebrate being stereotyped as animals doesn't have a dehumanizing effect. If we're being real, the image of a dead, unarmed black man is not as powerful as it could be in 2016 because we have told everybody that we are violent and unconscionable creatures. Not saying things would be perfect wihtout Hip-Hop. Of course not. But one thing is being stereotyped -another thing is to proudly confirm that stereotype.
As a world wide oppressed minority we are, like it or not, at the mercy of our image in many ways. If black children grow up in a society that feeds them a little spoon of shyt very day, telling them that they are not good enough, guess what they'll become?

You can't really spin this one...It's not even about caring what other people think about us. It's about the fact that we can't talk about and treat each other like shyt, and uplift ourselves at the same time.

You're right, most people that listen to Hip-Hop don't end up as criminals, but because Hip-Hop is normalizing anti-social behaviour they become the silent majority to the bullshyt, which is almost just as bad. No one is saying that Hip-Hop is the oppressor of black people, but it's facilitating it. We can't control how society decides to treat us, but shouldn't we at least do everything we can do on our part?

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Thsts bullshyt and a scapegoat. I dont trust any man regardless of color. That has shyt to do with hiphop. Thats common sense. Your whole comment reads like its straight from your thoughts of a c00n memoir. Hiphop has been the main factor in thr emergence of todays black prominence. Its helped thousands escape poverty. Allowed us to intergrate into mainstream society. Opened the door to the acceptance of the black mind as well as the acumen for business. To use that as the scapegoat for YOUR OWN indiscretions is garbage. I personally hundreds of black precessionals who are avid hiohoo listeners. They are not thugs or violent. You're the one hating and placing stereotypes on your own people. And hiding behind hiphop on some coward to scared to speak your mind bullshyt.

Get white people off your mind........ nikka please. Sit your wanna be ass down somewhere.

I gotta disagree...you could be in a business suit they still gone see a ******

You think these cacs in the 70's wasn't judging us as a group?
Read the title of this thread:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/is-it-weak-for-a-black-men-to-seek-therapy.417930/#post-18663340

You see the stereotype? Thread was made by a black poster. Hiphop culture is the biggest reason that BLACK PEOPLE STEREOTYPE OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER. Stop thinkin that this is about "cacs" and what they think. No, its about how we view OURSELVES.
 

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But what was the collective doing when this infultration happened??

In 1993

KRS all of a sudden was now following the "smoking weed hype" and promoting smoking marijuana more

Flava Flav kept getting arrested for crack possession just pissing on what PE was trying to do

LL named his album 14 Shots to the dome which stood for 14 songs but come on LL!

Brand Nubians went from "Wake Up" to "Pass The Gat!"

X Clan tried to shut down teh crack house but no one cared because it wasnt self destruction.

Wu Tang pointed the gat at some dudes mothers head knot on an independent label

and soon after Concious rappers like Ice Cube and Rakim started promoting St Ides and The Intellegent Hoodlum would change his name to Tragedy Khadfi the Arab nazi.



When the collective didn't go against this infultration tha u speak of....the infultration became a part of teh culture......in 1996 Jeru The Damaja went up against Bad Boy and Foxy and all the materialistic rappers in a war he couldnt win and no one really cared....Thats when the standard for the acceptance of wrecklessness was set and consciousness wen out the window.

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Hip hop didn't raise nor did it decrease the crime rate. It's just music. And it didn't spread gang culture

Hiphop culture glorifies and promotes crime and gangs as "cool", especially to the black youth. Its gasoline on the fire. Its not "just music". Its a weapon being used against black people. The black race are in a psychological war. This music is being used to KEEP us exactly where we are.

Hiphop is NOT an asset for black people.
 

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Read the title of this thread:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/is-it-weak-for-a-black-men-to-seek-therapy.417930/#post-18663340

You see the stereotype? Thread was made by a black poster. Hiphop culture is the biggest reason that BLACK PEOPLE STEREOTYPE OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER. Stop thinkin that this is about "cacs" and what they think. No, its about how we view OURSELVES.

Look you simple minded stuck on stupid muthafukka. Stop quoting me. Your too stupid to actually engage in a real conversation with. You don't want to debate you want to Debo your point over and over again. And what's worse is your wrong. Black drug usage is down among the youth but it's up with white youth. College enrollment is up....violent crim down the lowest it's been in decades,black wealth up, home ownership up, black entrepreneurship up.....all this despite hip hop. Who gives a fukk about some lame ass nikka and his fear or hatred of black people. Your obsolete in the equation. So much of a non factor. What you want brownie points for being hard on nikkas? You a cornball bruh...

Oh and I wear a suit and tie everyday I go to work.....I view myself as a muthafukking boss...fukk that shyt you talking bout.....need to get YOUR life on track and stop worrying bout the next nikka...ol hating ass judge a book by it's color ass nikka
 

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Just look at this filth:



It pains me to see images of blacks holding guns rapping about killing other black people. How can you as a black man view this as "just entertainment"? We are SO much better than this.

Posters like @MeachTheMonster & @NoChill Jones unknowingly expose how little they think of black people by defending this poison
 
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I've been listening to Hip-Hop since I was 6-7 years old, but I'm at least able to look at it objectively. You're so stuck in your ways that you have to twist my arguments in order to make them fit your narrative. This makes me wonder if I should even respond, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that I presented my arguments poorly.



Being "savage" is a positive term in Hip-Hop. Rapping about the "trap" is cool. Destroying other young black men is seen as tough. I could go on. Savagery is celebrated in Hip-Hop, where as conscious rappers are at risk of being called corny. If you're gonna sit there and disagree with me on that I assume you're not really listening to Hip-Hop. As I'm typing this I'm listening to Future, one of the most celebrated of the past year. "Banging her throat in the back of the phantom, I'm back on that dope and I'm strapped with the hammer". I'm obviously not going to go out and sell drugs, but A LOT of us are. I don't think I'm crazy for feeling like it's not helping when many of the ones we co-sign through streams and album purchases are hyping up that type of behaviour and making it seem normal.




Yes, exactly. People found out that lynching probably wasn't a good idea decades ago, which is why the killings of unarmed black men should cause waaaay more outrage among the establishment than it does right now. When the most ignorant among us are uplifted without resistance from the general black population, it makes the "bbb but what about black on black crime?" such a fukking easy cop out. We make it so easy for them.






Again, what does this have to do with hiphop?
I'm saying the stereotypes are "confirmed" in the eyes of the people who hold them. Don't make yourself difficult just because. I don't want to go much further down this road though, because the ultimate responsibility lies within each individual to not stereotype us as agroup. Just as a sidenote I'm saying we shouldn't act surprised if people treat us a certain way (on the job market, housng etc.), if our representatives to the outside world tells them that's who we are. Unlike you, I actually hold us to high standards, so I believe that while we hold others accountable for their stereotyping of us, we need to check childish and destructive behaviour in our own house. As grown men should.

If your son is acting up at school you defend him in front of the principle, but for his own god you let him know what's unacceptable when you get home.


Are you serious? I understand that the musical artform is social. But are you really going to sit there with a straight face and say that Hip-Hop does not normalize anti-social behaviour content-wise? Rapping about guns, violence in general, calling women bytches, using drugs etc. is not anti-social?



It's not facilitating our oppression alone, but when the oppression is justified by pushing the very same stereotypes that our main spokespeople (rappers) celebrate, then it is, in a way, facilitating it. It would be very hard to justify our oppression if the main image of black people were doctors and lawyers. I think you understand that. Which is why we need control over our image.




I hate this ideolized view of Hip-Hop to be honest. You are very naive if you think black people have true freedom in Hip-Hop. Even Dr. Dre, one the leaders of Hip-Hop was signed to interscope, which is a division of Interscope Geffen A&M Records, which is under Universial Music Group, which is under the conglamorate Vivendi. S.A.

And even if we did have freedom it's worth less than shyt if we're just going to use it to make destructive behaviour cool. There are people who describe their harsh surroundings from a protagonist perspective which is important. It's good to make people uncomfortable. What you need to understand is that rappers like Gucci Mane for example, makes the majority of society very comfortable in the big picture. That's where they want us. Our freedom of expression is no threat what-so-ever as long as it supports the status quo narrative of black people as hopeless thugs. [/QUOTE]

If i could rep u again i would:wow:
 
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