Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[MeachTheMonster]

Scust at the c00nary in here

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Driving on an upward bridge, I noticed a young couple, probably in high school walking. The "male", and for emphasis I say "male" lightly, was saggin considerably. His underwear were real tight too, or maybe it was the wind. At any rate, his azz cheeks were representing quite well despite having on draws. For a split second, Bill Cosby came to mind. As condescending as Cosby was, and as simple minded his approach was on Black youth, he had a point. The older you get, you cant help but be disgusted at the upcoming Black generation(s). They're pathetic. Sticking with the thread topic, their pitiful state is presented to the masses with this current state of Hip Hop too. The funny thing is the art reflects the life and vice versa. Its like vomiting spoiled food into a wine glass, and then drinking that same vomit. Its all good though, because we can afford the wine glass now. Progress SMH.

To be fair, the foundation of these problems existed long before Hip Hop came to existance, and even longer than the time Hip Hop became sh!t. It still doesnt excuse not expecting better of this generation.

So, some sagging paints made you feel disgusted at an entire generation of kids?

Behave like an old white man brehs

 

[MeachTheMonster]

OK....But after slavery we had the Black wallstreet (which was destroyed but later rebuilt only to be destroyed internally)and jazz music. And by that time we were looking on the up and up despite the laws of the land being on that jim crow BS.
How does it look with the strain of Jim Crow now removed our current most influential musical artform is where it is?? How do u explain that....Slavery still had 80's rappers like The Fat Boys who were from Brownsville rapping about having fun and partying. Hammer had Black folks on some 'get on the floor and dance" shyt. Where did this 180 leap in the 90's come from??

You have a total misunderstanding of the past and current condition of black America.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Hiphop/media is playing a large role in our own division and lack of unity. Its a large reason we view each other as the enemy/threat, instead of each others brother and sister. Its a large reason why some blacks would rather live around and spend $$$ at white establishments. Hiphop culture is killing the way we view ourselves. Its killing our image. The black image is a fukking joke because of hiphop culture

Yeah, our image was stellar to white folks before hiphop

 

[Peak]

No lies told, but I honestly think you gotta be pretty naive to believe that black people collectively celebrate being stereotyped as animals doesn't have a dehumanizing effect. If we're being real, the image of a dead, unarmed black man is not as powerful as it could be in 2016 because we have told everybody that we are violent and unconscionable creatures. Not saying things would be perfect wihtout Hip-Hop. Of course not. But one thing is being stereotyped -another thing is to proudly confirm that stereotype.
As a world wide oppressed minority we are, like it or not, at the mercy of our image in many ways. If black children grow up in a society that feeds them a little spoon of shyt very day, telling them that they are not good enough, guess what they'll become?

You can't really spin this one...It's not even about caring what other people think about us. It's about the fact that we can't talk about and treat each other like shyt, and uplift ourselves at the same time.

You're right, most people that listen to Hip-Hop don't end up as criminals, but because Hip-Hop is normalizing anti-social behaviour they become the silent majority to the bullshyt, which is almost just as bad. No one is saying that Hip-Hop is the oppressor of black people, but it's facilitating it. We can't control how society decides to treat us, but shouldn't we at least do everything we can do on our part?

 

[JustCKing]

If you go back even further, it pretty much starts with Black people participating in minstrel shows. Those were forms of entertainment that perpetuated self-inflicting stereotypes (when it was Black people who were performing and not white people in blackface). The Booth likes to throw around the word "c00n" (in the sense of entertaining white folk at the expense of degrading our own culture and race in general by perpetuating stereotypes), but that's where it pretty much originated from (which is why I don't get why people love using it on here).

 

[NvrCMyNut]

If you go back even further, it pretty much starts with Black people participating in minstrel shows. Those were forms of entertainment that perpetuated self-inflicting stereotypes (when it was Black people who were performing and not white people in blackface). The Booth likes to throw around the word "c00n" (in the sense of entertaining white folk at the expense of degrading our own culture and race in general by perpetuating stereotypes), but that's where it pretty much originated from (which is why I don't get why people love using it on here).

Modern minstel show

 

[MeachTheMonster]

No lies told, but I honestly think you gotta be pretty naive to believe that black people collectively celebrate being stereotyped as animals doesn't have a dehumanizing effect.

Who celebrates being stereotyped as an animal?

If we're being real, the image of a dead, unarmed black man is not as powerful as it could be in 2016 because we have told everybody that we are violent and unconscionable creatures.

You realize lynchings have gone down as hiphops popularity has risen right?

Not saying things would be perfect wihtout Hip-Hop. Of course not. But one thing is being stereotyped -another thing is to proudly confirm that stereotype.

Stereotypes can't be confirmed. They are false by nature. The stereotyper doesn't care about the truth.

As a world wide oppressed minority we are, like it or not, at the mercy of our image in many ways. If black children grow up in a society that feeds them a little spoon of shyt very day, telling them that they are not good enough, guess what they'll become?

This has nothing to do with hiphop, in fact it's hiphop is a way to give kids a voice, and creativity.

You can't really spin this one...It's not even about caring what other people think about us. It's about the fact that we can't talk about and treat each other like shyt, and uplift ourselves at the same time.

Again, what does this have to do with hiphop?

You're right, most people that listen to Hip-Hop don't end up as criminals, but because Hip-Hop is normalizing anti-social behaviour they become the silent majority to the bullshyt, which is almost just as bad.

Hiphop is the opposite of "anti-social"

No one is saying that Hip-Hop is the oppressor of black people, but it's facilitating it. We can't control how society decides to treat us, but shouldn't we at least do everything we can do on our part?

Now hiphop is "facilitating" our oppression?

Freedom is being able to express yourself any way you see fit. What you are asking is for black folks to hand over their freedom, in hopes that white folks will just decide to let go of centuries of hate predicated on skin color.

The propaganda, is you believing what cacs told you about yourself and your own people

 

[Doomsday]

Wrong. When blacks spoke on the struggle they were talking about it from a genuine perspective of wanting to get out of the situation. Non blacks fetishization of it turned it into something negative.

 

[LordOfTheManor]

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[3rdWorld]

No it was all planned by the Jews.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Being "savage" is a positive term in Hip-Hop.
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You say you've been into hiphop for years, yet here you pretend to not undertstand slang, in order to prop up your original argument.

"Savage" is used as a slang term it doesn't literally mean savage. But you knew that already.

These types of deliberately obtuse arguments are commonplace among bill oriely types. I wouldn't expect them coming from a person who's supposedly been a part of hip hop culture for years.

Rapping about the "trap" is cool.

And the same thing again

The "trap" is named so because it's a fukked up place to be. But as in any place people will find a way to enjoy a fukked up situation. If the "trap" didn't exist there would be no songs about it.

Destroying other young black men is seen as tough.

Violence and villainry are staples of American culture. Rap is just music, but REAL gangsters and killers are celebrated in white culture. Al Capone is an American hero.

I could go on. Savagery is celebrated in Hip-Hop,

If you wanna call American culture and the American experince "savagery" then go ahead. But don't blame rap for that.

where as conscious rappers are at risk of being called corny.

As do "gangsta rappers" and everyone in between.

If you're gonna sit there and disagree with me on that I assume you're not really listening to Hip-Hop.

You are the one who seems to be not listening. You don't understand the slang, and you seem to only acknowledge negative images in rap.

As I'm typing this I'm listening to Future, one of the most celebrated of the past year. "Banging her throat in the back of the phantom, I'm back on that dope and I'm strapped with the hammer". I'm obviously not going to go out and sell drugs, but A LOT of us are.

Yes a lot of people sell drugs, but it's not cause of the music they listen to. As you said future won't make you sell drugs. The dudes out selling drugs will do so with or without Rap. As rap has skyrocketed in popularity, drug use, has gone down, and educational achievement has risen for young black people.

I don't think I'm crazy for feeling like it's not helping when many of the ones we co-sign through streams and album purchases are hyping up that type of behaviour and making it seem normal.

99.9% of the stuff on tv fits the same bill. But only black people and rap get vilified for it.

Yes, exactly. People found out that lynching probably wasn't a good idea decades ago, which is why the killings of unarmed black men should cause waaaay more outrage among the establishment than it does right now.

It doesn't cause outrage because it's done ON PURPOSE. Has nothing to do with music. They don't care about your black ass period.

When the most ignorant among us are uplifted without resistance from the general black population, it makes the "bbb but what about black on black crime?" such a fukking easy cop out. We make it so easy for them.

There's always a justification. The killing comes first, the justification comes later. If someone is willing to justify one killing by deflection to another killing, then they didn't give a fukk about you in the first place. It's not hiphop music or violence in Chicago that makes them hate you.

The propaganda is getting you to turn around and blame the victim. It's like saying "well she had on a short skirt, so she made it easy for him to rape her"

But in this case it isn't even the individual wearing the skirt. "There's hoes in Chicago wearing short skirts, so that makes it easy to justify raping women in Cleveland"

And you don't see how fukked up that logic is?

I'm saying the stereotypes are "confirmed" in the eyes of the people who hold them.

You can't "confirm" a stereotype. A Mexican person working as a janitor doesn't "confirm" the Mexicans only clean toilets stereotype.

Don't make yourself difficult just because. I don't want to go much further down this road though, because the ultimate responsibility lies within each individual to not stereotype us as agroup. Just as a sidenote I'm saying we shouldn't act surprised if people treat us a certain way (on the job market, housng etc.), if our representatives to the outside world tells them that's who we are.

You really need to read up on respectability politics, and why your thinking is severely flawed. I don't have the desire to teach you here. Go read.

Unlike you, I actually hold us to high standards, so I believe that while we hold others accountable for their stereotyping of us, we need to check childish and destructive behaviour in our own house. As grown men should.

I don't think you understand what a stereotype is. Poor behavior has nothing to do with a stereotype. Poor behavior is "checked" in real life as it should. Blaming poor behavior on art and entertainment is a cop out, and a total misunderstanding of social dynamics.

If your son is acting up at school you defend him in front of the principle, but for his own god you let him know what's unacceptable when you get home.

Sure. But you are way off topic here, don't know what this has to do with rap.​

Are you serious? I understand that the musical artform is social. But are you really going to sit there with a straight face and say that Hip-Hop does not normalize anti-social behaviour content-wise? Rapping about guns, violence in general, calling women bytches, using drugs etc. is not anti-social?

Guns and violence are a social experince in America. You ever been to a movie, gun show, ufc match, etc

Drugs have always been used in a social setting.

The word "bytch" has taken many forms in the American language. Earnest Hemingway was very fond of using the term to describe his female characters. HipHop is about using the English language in creative ways. You could say snoop dog is carrying the torch for Hemingway

It's not facilitating our oppression alone, but when the oppression is justified by pushing the very same stereotypes that our main spokespeople (rappers) celebrate, then it is, in a way, facilitating it. It would be very hard to justify our oppression if the main image of black people were doctors and lawyers. I think you understand that. Which is why we need control over our image.

You serious here? They don't give a fukk if you are a doctor or not

Reality is, there are more black doctors than there are rappers, but they will still buss you upside the head with no fukks given.

I hate this ideolized view of Hip-Hop to be honest. You are very naive if you think black people have true freedom in Hip-Hop. Even Dr. Dre, one the leaders of Hip-Hop was signed to interscope, which is a division of Interscope Geffen A&M Records, which is under Universial Music Group, which is under the conglamorate Vivendi. S.A.

The freedom to make the music they want and to sign with whom they want to is there. You'd like black peope to relinquish that freedom.

[quote And even if we did have freedom it's worth less than shyt if we're just going to use it to make destructive behaviour cool. There are people who describe their harsh surroundings from a protagonist perspective which is important. It's good to make people uncomfortable. What you need to understand is that rappers like Gucci Mane for example, makes the majority of society very comfortable in the big picture. That's where they want us. Our freedom of expression is no threat what-so-ever as long as it supports the status quo narrative of black people as hopeless thugs.
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For every Gucci man, there is a Talib Kweli. But for this entire time you have pretended that only the negative images exist. And that speaks to the overal story of black people in America.

Hoes, Guns, and drugs are as American as apple pie. Vilifying people with brown skin is even more so.

They've convinced you to vilify black people for normal American behavior

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

"everybody cares about and protects their image except us"

LIES. Not asians, not white trash, not "hispanics", nobody. everybody has stereotypes and a bad group within the group. Some more so than others. Stop being a bytch, breh.

 

[George's Dilemma]

So, some sagging paints made you feel disgusted at an entire generation of kids?

Behave like an old white man brehs

Or like an older Black man.

 

[LordOfTheManor]

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