Hip Hop Really Deserves to Die At This Point

[AnonymityX1000]

You make a good point. So maybe the issue isn't that people, ie his delusional fans take him serious, it's that people who aren't fans seriously engage with them when they talk about him being one of the top 3.

People aren't fans engage with Drake stans and they then tell them Drake's top 3?
Is that influential to people who aren't even fans? I don't think so.

 

[bzb]

this "beef" with the kdot, drake, and cole exposed the fall off worse than we thought. it started out interesting and a lot of cats even thought it was restoring the feeling. but in just a short period of time it went left in a way we didn't anticipate. social media, deep fakes, stans, vultures compromising the genre with ai bullshyt.

no wonder more and more artists are selling their catalogs and bowing out. this ai shyt is like the reverse midas touch for hip hop and music in general. soulless bs ruining everything it comes in contact with.

 

[Shadow King]

NY was the one holding the culture at a high standard. Which is why Hammer was getting the business for all that hard dancing and nonsense he was doing. You had to follow the rules, and if you didn't, you got clowned. So yeah, this is where all of that was established and built.

Hammer is an extreme. The problem other regions (The South especially) had is that their rappers who they felt had something to say (pun somewhat intended) and was telling their version of the American Black story were being downplayed/ostracized.

Now I do believe the South is the main culprit in the deterioration of hip-hop from '03 on but in the 90s where everyone had to try to bring what was their A game, they probably didn't get a fair shake.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Hammer is an extreme. The problem other regions (The South especially) had is that their rappers who they felt had something to say (pun somewhat intended) and was telling their version of the American Black story were being downplayed/ostracized.

Now I do believe the South is the main culprit in the deterioration of hip-hop from '03 on but in the 90s where everyone had to try to bring what was their A game, they probably didn't get a fair shake.

I don’t think NY was downplaying any regions though. But because everything was coming out of NY and all the labels were here, the South seemed to feel "less than" for whatever reason. The West and Midwest never felt that way. Everyone was just doing their own thing. The South, even today, always seemed to have this 'We can be dope too" thing, that no one ever questioned.

Dallas Austin was speaking on it, saying that the South always felt left behind during those years. But it wasn't like NY was responsible for holding anything back. I never understood that whole thing, which is still what people in the South say today. As kids in the 90's, we just copped whatever was dope. Never cared where it came from.

 

[ObsidianDev]

People in this thread keep losing the plot and are worried about gatekeeping something that was sold away to others back in the late '80s.


Doesn't matter who the face of the "culture" is.



Melanated faces in high places don't equate to equal status



You can't control what you no longer own

 

[Finesse]

I was a DJ for about 20 years and at some point I found that the music wasn't speaking to me like it did in the past. I was in the music industry too, DJ'd the hottest night clubs, worked at Roc Nation and was around a lot of artists my whole life. Every year there would be less and less artists I was excited about and almost all my favorites either passed, became inactive or fell off.......I used to buy or check for new releases every Tuesday and at some point I just found I had no desire to do so. It happened seemingly overnight too........and one day I felt so removed from the culture. I still read this forum daily and check up on news and beefs but I don't have the same love I used to have for it and I know that everything being made isn't for me.

I turned 38 in March.

Now this is actually sad



Hip hop has gotten so trash it's made a DJ who DJ'd for over half his life put the turn tables down



GOT DAMN

 

[Shadow King]

I don’t think NY was downplaying any regions though. But because everything was coming out of NY and all the labels were here, the South seemed to feel "less than" for whatever reason. The West and Midwest never felt that way. Everyone was just doing their own thing. The South, even today, always seemed to have this 'We can be dope too" thing, that no one ever questioned.

Dallas Austin was speaking on it, saying that the South always felt left behind during those years. But it wasn't like NY was responsible for holding anything back. I never understood that whole thing, which is still what people in the South say today. As kids in the 90's, we just copped whatever was dope. Never cared where it came from.

I think the West doesn't have a bag complex because they had their own entertainment capital/world class metropolis that could compete and exist on its own if necessary. The Midwest's capital (Chicago) wasn't an entertainment hub but I believe they were able to escape the complex the South has because in contrast to the South, they had......

Technical ability. The Midwest embraced rapid-fire cadence and emphasis on syllables, so even if a rapper ran without elite similes and metaphors, you couldn't say they was doing something basic.

The South cares more about instrumentation and doesn't want the performer to "do too much". Kids in the 90s may have bought whoever, but this seemed to be a publication and rap peers issue. They weren't respected as great lyricist, and while there's a degree of truth to it outside of a few, it's gonna give them that chip on the shoulder.

And of course they didn't have a entertainment/cultural hub, which is what Atlanta would become and why people see it as the, or at least a, "black mecca", because like it or not, hip-hop is the dominant current of Black culture. So when ATL and The South started pumping out dozens of acts, one hit wonders and lasting powers alike, while New York didn't have that "King" anymore, to them that was their karmic get back.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

It's been over for a minute tbh. there's still afew people I listen to, and I still listen to old shyt.

Finding way cooler music on youtube that isnt hip hop n been listening to that.


I feel as a whole...african americans fell off hard music wise, younger generations in particular. Millenials holding it down...Gen Z and below


Maybe the younger ones can bring it back. We're just coming into a dark age creatively right now, but that usually leads to a renaissance.

 

[Mac Ten]

Im 29. Thats half of 58, so Im old.

Nikka . You’re only 2 years older than me. I’m 27 yrs old

 

[Rembrandt]

Nikka . You’re only 2 years older than me. I’m 27 yrs old

Rep ain't no goddamn 29. If we're the same age, imma be upset lmao

 

[Reptile]

Rep ain't no goddamn 29. If we're the same age, imma be upset lmao

Why you say that? Why you hating? How you think I am?

 

[Rembrandt]

Why you say that? Why you hating? How you think I am?

Idk, it makes sense in retrospect. I respect it more now

 

[re'up]

yeah. Been on SOHH since 2001 or 2000 and the world has just changed too. but, there was in depth discussion on the lyrics, the beats, the music, the art. There was always drama, Beanie Sigel shooting, all the arrests, but there was never the reality show feel.

I remember in depth track by track reviews lol -breaking down the song concepts, the song titles, the production, the verses.

The major thing is social media. People see everything through the lens of something else. it's called refracting. Everything is done to be viewed through viewing it on social media.

 

[Hoodoo Child]

It really starts at media:

When you start seeing people like Adam 22, Kai Cenent, Bobbi Altoff , Vlad, Akademiks, Wack 100,1090 Jake, Charleston White, Hassan Campbell, Say Cheese, Reggie Wright, word becoming law in the culture is where it took a real sickening turn

No gatekeepers

 

[987654321]

If you say this about hip hop, you were never a fan and should go listen to something else. You never hear any other music genre being disrespected like this

We’ve been hearing it non-stop from rock fans since 97’. Jazz, even longer than that. Black pop has been sashaying around in R&B’s rotten, tattered flesh for decades.

It is what it is. Genres pop up, sub-genres appear, genres die, new genres come along. I’ve experienced more hip-hop than some adults have been alive. I’m okay with it dying off and the youth picking up something new that they’re actually passionate about and believe in.