“Hip Hop Came From Dancehall” Topic Came Up On The Breakfast Club

[IllmaticDelta]

I always saw Chuck D as pro black rather than Pan Africanist, what’s the opposite of a Pan Africanist? A Pan European? Lol...

I wouldn’t be able to explain because I know Hip Hop is an AA genre.

pretty much all pro-black people are some level of pan-africanist

but not all pro-black people are AFROCENTRIC

chuck d is pro-black and clearly pan-africanist

 

[JackRoss]

I always saw Chuck D as pro black rather than Pan Africanist, what’s the opposite of a Pan Africanist? A Pan European? Lol...

I wouldn’t be able to explain because I know Hip Hop is an AA genre.

Pan Africanism has nothing to do with Africa or being pro black nowadays. It has everything to do with leeching off Black American successes.

"We all black" when it benefits you.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

pretty much all pro-black people are some level of pan-africanist

but not all pro-black people are AFROCENTRIC

chuck d is pro-black and clearly pan-africanist

I'm stealing that.​

 

[Edub]

He right tho… these are lies bein told

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It's a disservice to say ska was jacked directly from Motown, when Mento has always existed. I wont say it was influenced, but to say it was a flip on American music is not all the way true.

Mento is a style of Jamaican folk music that predates and has greatly influenced ska and reggae music. It is a fusion of African rhythmic elements and European elements, which reached peak popularity in the 1940s and 1950s

mento is more in specific dancehall riddims



ska is based on the shuffles/herky jerky offbeats of a particular type of R&B that existed in the 1940's/1950s

Plus all our music is coming from Africa, so are both Jamaicans and black.Americans culturally appropriating?

there is a difference between creolized music within one's given society (usa blues or jamaica mento) and post-slavery appropriation via looking elsewhere for musical inspiration, not native to your own culture (jamaican ska)

When is the cut off from who created what?

inherited africanisms/influence via slavery vs post-slavery borrowings from outside cultures

 

[El Bombi]

What happen to @KingZimbabwe?

 

[El Bombi]

hey if Jamaican music is American then Blues is African.

makes sense to me

otherwise let's stop moving goal posts when it suits us.

What a dumbass.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

you just might be slow....

The blues come from bluegrass and country music dumbass.

 

[El Bombi]

you just might be slow....

That's not what your Mother said last night

 

[Hungerpain]

Fuvk outta here.

Jamaican bytches is the worst.
Mfs swear they know everything and always tryna "tell" you something that's mostly bullshyt.

Really hate that I had to grow up around them.
Probably the WOAT women to be honest.
Atleast the ones on the East coast.

 

[kdub83]

Hip hop has origins in blues and jazz, with some influence from rock. This is not up for debate.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

That's not what your Mother said last night

Because being fast is a compliment in bed?

Like I said you just might be slow...

 

[Swahili P'Bitek]

No, dancehall in the "digital era" isn't 100% jamaican, the first digital riddim was a keyboard preset

It's not the instrument, it's what the musicians do with it. Over time, the versions started being remixed. The japanese woman who made the reggae preset containing the sleng teng already said how influenced she was by reggae to that point. The sleng teng version voiced by wayne smith is different to the one done later by the likes of terror, papa san in the 90s. Listen to this:


This music is a 50s recording(51), and it's mento but if you didn't know of African music or its sounds, you would think it was Cuban influenced, but this sound was common among all African groups in the diaspora and in Africa itself.


Johnny Osbourne 60's version.

Busy Signal's 2014's version on modernized dancehall. I think there's a yellow man version too.

These are just a few examples, if Jamaican music didn't have influences of its own, it would sound exactly like Hip Hop and RnB, and so would African music etc.

 

[audemarzz]

It's not the instrument, it's what the musicians do with it. Over time, the versions started being remixed. The japanese woman who made the reggae preset containing the sleng teng already said how influenced she was by reggae to that point. The sleng teng version voiced by wayne smith is different to the one done later by the likes of terror, papa san in the 90s. Listen to this:


This music is a 50s recording(51), and it's mento but if you didn't know of African music or its sounds, you would think it was Cuban influenced, but this sound was common among all African groups in the diaspora and in Africa itself.


Johnny Osbourne 60's version.

Busy Signal's 2014's version on modernized dancehall. I think there's a yellow man version too.

These are just a few examples, if Jamaican music didn't have influences of its own, it would sound exactly like Hip Hop and RnB, and so would African music etc.

It wouldn't sound like it does now without African American music, as the entire instrument base wouldn't exist.
Nor would the equipment
Nor would the slang.
Nor would the backbeat.
I've already shown blues' influence on mento. The song I posted that was recorded in 1917, sounded like something Jamaicans would make YEARS LATER.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

you talking in circles now. blues didn't come out of a vacuum and it's the foundation of everything to come... where do we draw the line... where it suits you?

how its very clear

the Africanisms found in early afram music came via aframs themselves. Its not the blues, its the people themselves that didn't come out of a vacuum