it’s really this simple
“Hip Hop Came From Dancehall” Topic Came Up On The Breakfast Club
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it’s really this simple
yall are both saying the same thing
spliz
SplizThaDon
Yea. I know. And I’m reiterating it to let cats know it’s means absolutely nothing. Him being of Jamaican descent is purely inconsequential. These muthafukkas tryna take credit for the culture tho and cats like Chuck D should be ashamed of himself.
my bad breh!
hey if Jamaican music is American then Blues is African.
makes sense to me
otherwise let's stop moving goal posts when it suits us.
Black Lightning
Superstar
"I could use their rhythm base instead of using the Jamaican rhythm base"
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Kooley_High
All Star
While i believe there is jamaican/carribean influence in early Djing, i dont think the whole of the genre can be claimed as Jamaican or that Jamaicans started it.
Caribbeans werent really isolated to an extent to where that claim can be made. If they were, the music would sound a lot more Carribean than it does today (Lovers Rock is a good example of this). The origins of hiphop genre itself was cross influential with AA forming the majority of the culture and eventually leading the direction. Not taking away the influence of Herc, Bam and Flash but there were AA DJs, MCs, B-boys, and graffers there the whole time as well. Not to mention the music used was AA as well. It wasnt carribean only music with carribean only people.
Caribbeans werent really isolated to an extent to where that claim can be made. If they were, the music would sound a lot more Carribean than it does today (Lovers Rock is a good example of this). The origins of hiphop genre itself was cross influential with AA forming the majority of the culture and eventually leading the direction. Not taking away the influence of Herc, Bam and Flash but there were AA DJs, MCs, B-boys, and graffers there the whole time as well. Not to mention the music used was AA as well. It wasnt carribean only music with carribean only people.
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
What exactly is funny
did aframs not carry musical traditions they were already a part of in Africa, to america
The point and debate itself is Anti Black American
White folk tried to give credit for hip hop to Caribbean blacks.... they would have gave it to asian or to themselves, if they could. The ENTIRE point of the conversation is to figure out a slick way to steal the most creative forms of art away from Black Americans...
The facts destroy the lie every time, but they will never concede or stop because the goal goes way behind music or hip hop.
To say blues is African is like saying Deejaying is Chinese cus they were saying Grand Master this n thathey if Jamaican music is American then Blues is African.
makes sense to me
otherwise let's stop moving goal posts when it suits us.
Blues came from the deep Soul of American black people... carried over in the dna, not from copying any music they heard from African folk. When African heard it they recognized it as something that is relatable is essence, but blues wasnt created from a unique experience.
The dominicans jamaican and PR lived and shared the hood experience with AA... and basically were 2nd and 3rd gen AA in experience.... and the AA experience is what created the culture.
Those people just happened to know their roots but were influenced by AA jazz and AA blues.
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
maybe, but there are people out there who aren't a part of this site (this website is where the myth was first analyzed in depth...since that time, numerous old heads/hiphop historians have come along to correct the hiphop timeline that was left out), in the mainstream, who are still hell-bent on on perpetuating myths...and they're 99% West Indians (see video in the OP) and 1% uninformed ADOS who lack knowledge and let it go unchecked.
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IllmaticDelta
Veteran
What I highlighted was that they weren't a part of Afram culture as Jamaicans because no one rocked w/ Jamaican culture. If they presented themselves as basically Aframs while hiding their true origins (no outwardly displays of Jamaicaness) to most people, they were pretty much seen as Aframs; therefore, not seen as Jamaicans.
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