HIGHER LEARNING PODCAST planning thread.

[Serious]

Bruh the stats are right there

Unless you are some kind of statistician or deal with millions of people around the country, no swipes, your observations are kind of meaningless on a grand scale bray. They are prob more representative of your city or social circle.

Honestly, for everyone's sake I hope I'm wrong.

Plus with the mood of the economy people are just down in general.

Bottom line, more people are going to college today than before, % wise, by number, whatever. So I'm at a loss as to how a lack of participation in education by minorities is the problem

breh this is about our people. I know more people are going to college more than
ever. It's just that I don't see enough of our people, at least mine, (African-Americans). We all know sociology and psychology professors are off this economic downturn.

Achievement gap has narrowed since the good old days

Achievement gap in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So how can it be the problem now, when it was worse when the country was more prosperous

Maybe it's me, but looks like it's coasting instead of raising....

Feel free to read this article, then tell me the achievement gap is no big deal...

Research Center: Achievement Gap

Here's some quotes:

special analyses by the National Center for Education Statistics in 2009 and 2011 showed that black and Hispanic students trailed their white peers by an average of more than 20 test-score points on the NAEP math and reading assessments at 4th and 8th grades, a difference of about two grade levels. These gaps persisted even though the score differentials between black and white students narrowed between 1992 and 2007 in 4th grade math and reading and 8th grade math

Fewer than 10 percent of black or Hispanic students participated in rigorous courses in 2009 (NCES, 2009).

g to Editorial Projects in Education Research Center’s annual Diplomas Count report, while each major racial and ethnic group had more students graduate as of the class of 2008, massive gaps remained between different groups of students. While 82.7 percent of Asian students and 78.4 percent of white students in the class of 2008 graduated on time, that was the case for only 57.6 percent of Hispanic, 57 percent of black and 53.9 percent of American Indian students. Likewise, only 68 percent of male students graduated on time in 2008, compared with 75 percent of female students. Over the long term, only
about one half of male students from minority backgrounds graduate on time

Some researchers are also exploring more subtle factors that can contribute to achievement gaps such as peer pressure, student tracking, negative stereotyping, and test bias.

 

[OsO]

can we get a thread title change so folks know when to tune in?

the show is this sunday 9pm

 

[No1]

Is that for sure my guy? I didn't see anyone else co-sign it on my quick run through. I also didn't see any talk about topics.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Show is most definitely Sunday at 9p

Topics are still being hammered out.

News Wrap up..
College - A means to an end or completely meaningless?
Reverse Racism/ "Double Standards" as it relates to discrimination & racism
America's Drug War - end it now or fight the good fight
The signficance of Frank Ocean's coming out and the effect on urban musik.....

I think that should be good enough for a lengthy discussion...

And of course call ins are welcome. Skype ID is Bwrecks

Show time Sunday 7/8/2012 at 9p EST

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

No other volunteers for tomorrow night's podcast panel? We could use some new people. You know most of y'all ain't gonna be doing much on a Sunday night but chilling and preparing for your work week.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Honestly, for everyone's sake I hope I'm wrong.


breh this is about our people. I know more people are going to college more than
ever. It's just that I don't see enough of our people, at least mine, (African-Americans). We all know sociology and psychology professors are off this economic downturn.

Again, what you see isn't necessarily what IS on a national scale. I see hoodrats by the boatload on that medical assistant shyt. I see a lot of folks on that community college shyt. NYC just came out w/a program to help people manage the financial waters of higher education and all the ads are of blacks and Latinos. Since the country's "heyday" its a fact that black people are more involved in higher education; its kind of a given given the Civil Rights Act, affirmative action and the general national attitude towards the increasing importance of education.

Can/should we do more? Of course, and thats not what I'm arguing against. TWISM argues that the country is in decline because, in part at least, minorities are dragging the country down in education. Thats wrong. Minorities are lagging, but we have come a long way, and in the case of Latinos are pretty much in lockstep with whites as far as higher education goes

Maybe it's me, but looks like it's coasting instead of raising....

Feel free to read this article, then tell me the achievement gap is no big deal...

Research Center: Achievement Gap

Here's some quotes:

Bruh since the 70s its up, and I'm sure if there were data to go back further blacks in segregated schools would be even worse

Which is my whole point

I never claimed there wasnt an achievement gap.... just that since the country's time of legitimately being #1 it has closed

And that its ridiculous to assert that 28% of the country is responsible for 100% of the country's decline. Minorities were, by many metrics, way worse off than they are now, so why is it only now that our poor performance is the cause of the country's decline?

 

[No1]

No other volunteers for tomorrow night's podcast panel? We could use some new people. You know most of y'all ain't gonna be doing much on a Sunday night but chilling and preparing for your work week.

I'd hop in, but I don't have a mic. You saw what happened when I tried to hop on using my cousin's shyt and we have the same laptop.

I could buy a mic, but....nah, I'm cheap. It's been good enough for g-chating.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I'd hop in, but I don't have a mic. You saw what happened when I tried to hop on using my cousin's shyt and we have the same laptop.

I could buy a mic, but....nah, I'm cheap. It's been good enough for g-chating.

Man you can get a decent headset mic from Best Buy for like $25. Use your student loan disbursement bruh.

 

[No1]

Man you can get a decent headset mic from Best Buy for like $25. Use your student loan disbursement bruh.

Maybe in September. But I'm going to need every dollar I have in August, so I'm saving up now. OCI/EIP is no joke if I'm going to different cities.

 

[theworldismine13]

Again, what you see isn't necessarily what IS on a national scale. I see hoodrats by the boatload on that medical assistant shyt. I see a lot of folks on that community college shyt. NYC just came out w/a program to help people manage the financial waters of higher education and all the ads are of blacks and Latinos. Since the country's "heyday" its a fact that black people are more involved in higher education; its kind of a given given the Civil Rights Act, affirmative action and the general national attitude towards the increasing importance of education.

Can/should we do more? Of course, and thats not what I'm arguing against. TWISM argues that the country is in decline because, in part at least, minorities are dragging the country down in education. Thats wrong. Minorities are lagging, but we have come a long way, and in the case of Latinos are pretty much in lockstep with whites as far as higher education goes



Bruh since the 70s its up, and I'm sure if there were data to go back further blacks in segregated schools would be even worse

Which is my whole point

I never claimed there wasnt an achievement gap.... just that since the country's time of legitimately being #1 it has closed

And that its ridiculous to assert that 28% of the country is responsible for 100% of the country's decline. Minorities were, by many metrics, way worse off than they are now, so why is it only now that our poor performance is the cause of the country's decline?

you are contradicting yourself, first you said there wasn't an achievment gap but now you say there is, which one is it? You sound confused

And if there is an achievment gap between 28% of the population and the rest of the population and that 28% of the population turns into 50% of the population, which is what its projected to, then basic math tells you that the achievement gap will cause america to decline

The math is very simple and crystal clear, if the us fails to close the achievment gap of blacks and latinos then the us will decline

30-40 years ago it wasn't 28%, it was much lower, only about 10 to 15 percent were non white, so that's why it didnt matter before, but it matters now and it will matter more in the future

 

[88m3]

Can't wait

 

[OsO]

Show is most definitely Sunday at 9p

Topics are still being hammered out.

News Wrap up..
College - A means to an end or completely meaningless?
Reverse Racism/ "Double Standards" as it relates to discrimination & racism
America's Drug War - end it now or fight the good fight
The signficance of Frank Ocean's coming out and the effect on urban musik.....

I think that should be good enough for a lengthy discussion...

And of course call ins are welcome. Skype ID is Bwrecks

Show time Sunday 7/8/2012 at 9p EST

economics and hip hop!

 

[88m3]

cac's make me sick

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

you are contradicting yourself, first you said there wasn't an achievment gap but now you say there is, which one is it? You sound confused

And if there is an achievment gap between 28% of the population and the rest of the population and that 28% of the population turns into 50% of the population, which is what its projected to, then basic math tells you that the achievement gap will cause america to decline

The math is very simple and crystal clear, if the us fails to close the achievment gap of blacks and latinos then the us will decline

30-40 years ago it wasn't 28%, it was much lower, only about 10 to 15 percent were non white, so that's why it didnt matter before, but it matters now and it will matter more in the future

U still arent making sense

The question was why the US is no longer #1, as in what happened in the past to get us to where we are now. The US was in decline while the achievement gap was closing in the 70s-90s, and while it held steady through the aughts, and again even with the achievement gap way more minorities are getting college degrees than before the country was in decline

And even if minorities failures in education was A cause (WHICH IT WASN'T), it wasn't THE or even a MAJOR cause. You are so education biased you fail to acknowledge things like outsourcing, the increase in demands of technical skills for all jobs (and the fact that ALL Americans are in respective educational decline WRT job demands), growing competiton from abroad (China, India basically didn't exist on the global stage 40+ years ago, Europe took a long time to recover from WWII), etc... I can come up with 10 legit things that CONTRIBUTED and WILL contribute to the US decline before the achievement gap.

The only reason you came up with that as the top reason is you cant get white corporate America's codpiece out of your mouth

 

[theworldismine13]

U still arent making sense

The question was why the US is no longer #1, as in what happened in the past to get us to where we are now. The US was in decline while the achievement gap was closing in the 70s-90s, and while it held steady through the aughts, and again even with the achievement gap way more minorities are getting college degrees than before the country was in decline

And even if minorities failures in education was A cause (WHICH IT WASN'T), it wasn't THE or even a MAJOR cause. You are so education biased you fail to acknowledge things like outsourcing, the increase in demands of technical skills for all jobs (and the fact that ALL Americans are in respective educational decline WRT job demands), growing competiton from abroad (China, India basically didn't exist on the global stage 40+ years ago, Europe took a long time to recover from WWII), etc... I can come up with 10 legit things that CONTRIBUTED and WILL contribute to the US decline before the achievement gap.

oh i see, i think you finally realized that you couldn't fuk with the simple facts and simple math that i presented that shows the achievement gap is a ticking time bomb so you decided to change the subject and try to downplay the importance of the achievement gap

the guy in the video that caused the question to be asked was spouting a bunch of stats, i simply mentioned that a lot of those stats related to education are caused by the achievement gap, thats all i said, then i made another comment about the need for more assimilation in the US, people asked me to defend my comments and so im defending my comments

but i never said or implied that the achievement gap was the only thing going on and i actually never agreed that the US wasnt #1

but education is definitely the solution to preserve america's status, there isnt any reason about decline or or rise of any nation that isnt directly related to education

how are technical skills not directly related to education?
how is outsourcing not directly related to education?
how is competition from china and india not directly related to education?
and how can you separate the issue of education from the issue of achievement gap of the fastest growing population in america?

so everything comes back to education and the achievement gap

The only reason you came up with that as the top reason is you cant get white corporate America's codpiece out of your mouth

you can look it at that way, ive always made it very clear that im a capitalist, im not a leftist, im not down with occupy wall street and that sort of stuff, i dont have beef with corporate america and ive said plainly that black people's main goal should be to take over the american empire, which includes corporate america, there is no hidden agenda or motive in what im saying, ive made it clear where im coming from

i find it sickening when people like you give black people the most awful advice, retarded advice like saying young black males should focus on skilled labor