What a bullshyt copout. You can't accurate define what you mean by "cultural cohesion" or provide any specific examples of what degree and varieties of "cultural cohesion" comprise the middle ground between necessary for a nation to work and full-blown society collapse. Hell, you can't even begin to define what you mean by "American culture" and how black peoples' culture is not American culture and should be.
i dont really get why i need to define cultural cohesion, cultural cohesion is 2 words, if you know what culture means and you know what cohesion means i dont see why anybody would have to ask what the definition of cultural cohesion is
cultural cohesion simply means people having the same culture, what is it that im leaving out in that definition? cultural cohesion literally means cultural cohesion, what is there to define?
and you obviously cant put a concrete description of culture but that wouldnt mean you cant define cultural cohesion, it means you have to use a brain cell
any specific examples of what degree and varieties of "cultural cohesion" comprise the middle ground between necessary for a nation to work and full-blown society collapse.
again if i could do that i would win a nobel prize, books and papers have been written on the subject
but again cultural cohesion is a basic definition of nation states, and i gave the examples of canada/quebec and the america civil war as examples of what happens when there is a lack of cultural cohesion
northern europe and some asian countries like korea and japan have very high levels of cultural cohesion, other countries that were carved out like in africa and india have very low levels of cultural cohesion
countries in the americas tend to be somewhere in the middle
^^^im not really sure why i have to explain this, i would think everything i just said is obvious, my bad for not spoon feeding you examples of cultural cohesion
but the point goes back to the definition of nation states, countries that have high cultural cohesion tend to perform well and countries with low cultural cohesion tend to perform worse
which that in turn goes to the actual question of whether america can stay #1, that is why i brought up cultural cohesion/assimilation, its well known by anybody that has studied the issue, that cultural cohesion is a plus for any nation
And you're not explaining how exactly so-called black culture is not assimilated and why and how it should be.
i clearly have said that black culture is not assimilated in terms of views and attitudes toward education, ive said that about a million times
i clearly stated that black people should do it for power and money in this post
http://www.the-coli.com/714865-post498.html
and i clearly stated how i think it should be done in this post
http://www.the-coli.com/714981-post499.html
so you are clearly lying or stupid or both
ol...well thanks for finally admitting you can't even defend your own assertions. That's big of you.
maybe you dont know how to read, i am admitting that the concept of what it takes to keep a nation state together is too complex to predict by anybody
but i clearly showed that cultural cohesion is part of the basic definition of a nation state
Nation state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and therefore cultural cohesion has to be considered when the question is asked about progress and survival of america, becuase america is nation state
But back to my original point, any of study of history shows that it's healthy social relations that are vital for a society's success, not necessarily all of the people being one culture. That is a delicate subtlety, but one that is true. As long at the various subcultures of people can coexist, we're good. There have been a multiplicity of subcultures in American for two centuries and America has been doing pretty damn good relative to the rest of the world.
first lets play your retarded game, you havent defined in any concrete terms what "healthy social relations" means, you haven't given any examples of what that is
so you are saying america is an example of healthy social relations
Apology accepted. Notice nobody even arguing against your claim that there should be a greater overall emphasis on education among black Americans,
yeah and i went further than that iand i connected it to the survival of the US
you lost people when you talk about how we should all be one culture and assimilate into American culture, a dubious notion that is vague and you haven't even been able to articulate well yourself.
i didnt lose anything, i think i brought up concepts that people didnt like namely the concept of the importance of cultural cohesion in a nation state
the concept of assimilation in america is not vague, its been part of american thinking and government policy since the very beginning of the country, its what allowed america to absorb millions of immigrants, i posted the theodore roosvelt quote, im simply extending the concept to blacks and latinos
the fact that you dont like it, or that there is no concrete definition of culture doesn't make it vague
I'm all for collectively focusing on education. Now what else do they need to do to become one American culture?
looney asked the same question and like i said, overall america is integrated and in a lot of ways black people are already assimilated, but they havent assimilated in education
i have always been referring to education because i dont think other aspects of culture are important or there is already assimilation going on
unlike yall i stay focused on the issue at hand, the question was asked can america stay #1, and i answered only if the issue of assimilation of blacks and latinos in terms of education is dealt with
thats all i have said from the beginning, the issue of assimilation of education is a subset of the concept of cultural cohesion, cultural cohesion is a basic definition of a nation state and in general there should be push for overall assimilation because it makes a stronger more prosperous nation
cthe question wasnt do you like white people, the question was can america stay #1 and i answered the question
I'm all for collectively focusing on education. Now what else do they need to do to become one American culture?
Stop inventing slang and dances?
Stop wearing dreads, fades, boxes, cornrows, and braids?
Stop creating new fashion trends?
Start drinking Southern Comfort instead of Hennessy?
Stop listening to rap and R&B and start listening to rock or country?
Stop being Christians?
Those are superficial things of not of much consequence I'm throwing out. But culture goes a lot deeper than that, down the core of one's identity.
is this suppose to be some deep enlightening statement that is suppose to prove that cultural cohesion in not part of the definition of nation state?
You could've left it that. That's entirely different than "we need to assimilate into one culture."
i said that also and i stand by it, because cultural cohesion is important for america to stay #1
So why don't you define American culture then? We're still waiting on that one.
i already answered this, there has never been a clear definition of american culture and i think thats a good thing and unlike yall i have never defined american culture as being white
You're the one who sounds confused. Up until now, you've conflated valuing education with assimilating into this mythological, substance-less "American culture" which you still won't elaborate on; an assertion easily debunked by something as simple as say pointing out the fact that Asians and Africans perform better academically than white Americans while being experiencing and exhibiting less "cultural cohesion" than black Americans. That renders your entire premise moot.
thats a different issue
so lets back up, you said that what i was saying implied that education is acting white, im just correcting you and explaining that what i am saying implies that if america defines american culture as being white america will collapse becuase assimilation is a 2 way street
as for as your new negative interpretation, african and asian doing well academically would make not my point mute, its irrelevant to my point, my point is that black and latinos need to shift our views and attitudes toward education toward the mainstream or america will decline
if africans and asian are better academically it wouldn't change my point, again the question is can america stay #1, i answered we have to assimilate blacks and latinos into the mainstream in terms of education
the performance of african and asians are irrelevant to my point, the only thing they are relevant to is what i was saying of the importance of assimilation, which also applies to asians and africans, different groups have different issues, when it comes to education african and asian dont have serious issues when it comes to education like blacks and latinos do but its important to make sure that they assimilate in other ways
again cultural cohesion comes from state formation theory, its not something i made up, maybe your real beef is with wikipedia and the academics in the field and maybe you have beef with theodore roosvelt and the american model of immgration cuz those things are the basis of what im saying
That particular story of the guy I know may be anecdotal, but the claim that there are plenty of black Americans who do value and attain education without shedding their cultural identify and blending into this one culture you speak of it is not anecdotal. Why don't you go to Howard's fall graduation and tell all of them to shed their culture and assimilate into this "American culture"?...if you've figured out what you're even trying to say by then.
i have family at howard, ive been to howard a bunch of times and ive had the argument already and ive said it to their face, black culture needs to change because its too anti academic, some of them agreed, some of them didnt
i dont see what the big deal is, why would i be afraid of saying that in front of howard students? its a free country, people have opinions,
but thanks for sharing your stories
