Has anyone else given up on Gotham?

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In the comics, Mad Hatter is a pedophile.
But DC doesn't like to let that get out to the tv crowd.
In fact, around the age they have Selina Kyle on that show (what is she like 16?) she isn't supposed to be hanging out with out in a mansion, she is supposed to be on the streets hooking. She was a prostitute/thief that progressed into a cat burglar.
Thats where her charm and distaste of rich people, men especially, comes from when she is an adult. Most of the stuff she steals she believes the person that has it is undesserving of. She won't steal from a poor person or someone she sees as struggling. She has a personal pet peeve with people that live in excess and mistreat others.
Selena is like 14 in this show I think. And I thought the prostitute origin was only in certain story lines. Her origin has been changed multiple times. Could be wrong tho.

I swear dudes will say a show is great after a dope couple of eps, then whenever a weaker episode airs they go back to trashing it. Seen this with Gotham, Arrow, and Flash earlier on.
 

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Selena is like 14 in this show I think. And I thought the prostitute origin was only in certain story lines. Her origin has been changed multiple times. Could be wrong tho.

I swear dudes will say a show is great after a dope couple of eps, then whenever a weaker episode airs they go back to trashing it. Seen this with Gotham, Arrow, and Flash earlier on.

:salute: no patience anymore breh

And yeah Selina was only a prostitute when Frank Miller got his hands on her. That's definitely not her origin now and it was never set in stone what her origin was
 

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I recall a storyline where the grown man version of Toyman was going around kidnapping kids and even murdered Cat Grant's son. There were heavy child molester vibes being thrown out about the character in that story.
Kidnapping is toyman's M.O. most of the time. But its not his end game. What I mean is, Joker or Toyman kidnap kids to ransom them or hostage them, or as retribution in the case of snatching the mayor's kid or someone they have it out for. But, in the case of Mad Hatter, he isn't kidnapping the kids to ransom them or for any larger purpose. He is kidnapping kids cause he wants the kids. Thats his goal.
Same way there are villains who are bank robbers, then there are villains who might rob a bank but its only to get money to fund something bigger... like if Mr Freeze or Clayface need chemicals or something. They aren't really bank robbers, in my book.

Joker is always snatching kids up, but usually its the kid of somebody he has beef with and the kid is a pawn. With Mad Hatter the kid is the target, for his dress up tea parties or whatnot.

Selena is like 14 in this show I think. And I thought the prostitute origin was only in certain story lines. Her origin has been changed multiple times. Could be wrong tho.

I swear dudes will say a show is great after a dope couple of eps, then whenever a weaker episode airs they go back to trashing it. Seen this with Gotham, Arrow, and Flash earlier on.
No, you are correct. Her origin as well as many other characters have changed many times as you indicated. But you are wrong to minimize Frank Miller's role. People associate all Frank Miller Batman stuff with 'The Dark Knight' which is the most well known of his Batman work but is not considered canon in the main DC universe. However, they specifically had Frank Miller write Batman: Year One as a fix for the lack of origin continuity within the Batman titles. It is not only canon, it is the base for all future Batman works within the continuity for all of the 90s and 2000s. Year One is everyone in Gotham's origin, in detail.
Its all undone now as of the DC-52 reboot in 2011... so I don't know whats been going on since then, but from about 1987 to basically 2011 that was her origin, with few exceptiions. One, obviously being the cartoon. But they couldn't use entire characters for the cartoon at first (Deadshot, Firefly, none of the serial killers like Abattoir or Mr.Tzaaz, etc... ) so many of the cartoon versions were completely toned down or ommited entirely. However, because the cartoon was so insanely popular, the cartoon begin to have more sway than the comics and the cartoon started influencing and changing the comics retroactively (or retconing). They go back and start inserting tv only elements like Harleyquin into stories that happened way before she was even thought of. Same thing happened with Wolverine in Marvel. He wasn't introduced until the 70s... but when he became super popular they started retconning everything, slipping him into Captain America stories from the 50s and X-Men stories from the 60s.

But yeah, before Selina was saving p*ssy, she was selling it.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Catwoman_(Selina_Kyle)#Origins
 

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Kidnapping is toyman's M.O. most of the time. But its not his end game. What I mean is, Joker or Toyman kidnap kids to ransom them or hostage them, or as retribution in the case of snatching the mayor's kid or someone they have it out for. But, in the case of Mad Hatter, he isn't kidnapping the kids to ransom them or for any larger purpose. He is kidnapping kids cause he wants the kids. Thats his goal.
Same way there are villains who are bank robbers, then there are villains who might rob a bank but its only to get money to fund something bigger... like if Mr Freeze or Clayface need chemicals or something. They aren't really bank robbers, in my book.

Joker is always snatching kids up, but usually its the kid of somebody he has beef with and the kid is a pawn. With Mad Hatter the kid is the target, for his dress up tea parties or whatnot.


No, you are correct. Her origin as well as many other characters have changed many times as you indicated. But you are wrong to minimize Frank Miller's role. People associate all Frank Miller Batman stuff with 'The Dark Knight' which is the most well known of his Batman work but is not considered canon in the main DC universe. However, they specifically had Frank Miller write Batman: Year One as a fix for the lack of origin continuity within the Batman titles. It is not only canon, it is the base for all future Batman works within the continuity for all of the 90s and 2000s. Year One is everyone in Gotham's origin, in detail.
Its all undone now as of the DC-52 reboot in 2011... so I don't know whats been going on since then, but from about 1987 to basically 2011 that was her origin, with few exceptiions. One, obviously being the cartoon. But they couldn't use entire characters for the cartoon at first (Deadshot, Firefly, none of the serial killers like Abattoir or Mr.Tzaaz, etc... ) so many of the cartoon versions were completely toned down or ommited entirely. However, because the cartoon was so insanely popular, the cartoon begin to have more sway than the comics and the cartoon started influencing and changing the comics retroactively (or retconing). They go back and start inserting tv only elements like Harleyquin into stories that happened way before she was even thought of. Same thing happened with Wolverine in Marvel. He wasn't introduced until the 70s... but when he became super popular they started retconning everything, slipping him into Captain America stories from the 50s and X-Men stories from the 60s.

But yeah, before Selina was saving p*ssy, she was selling it.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Catwoman_(Selina_Kyle)#Origins
I'm not minimizing Miller's role. I just don't see the problem with changing origins when they've all been tampered with in the comics already. Even if Miller's origin is the go-to story right now. I look at Gotham as a "what if" story line. Just like various comic book arcs that have come out in the past.

Thanks for the info tho bruh...
 

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I'm not minimizing Miller's role. I just don't see the problem with changing origins when they've all been tampered with in the comics already. Even if Miller's origin is the go-to story right now. I look at Gotham as a "what if" story line. Just like various comic book arcs that have come out in the past.

Thanks for the info tho bruh...

Miller's isn't the go to anymore either since they changed. She was a petty thief now since the new 52
 

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Selena is like 14 in this show I think. And I thought the prostitute origin was only in certain story lines. Her origin has been changed multiple times. Could be wrong tho.

I swear dudes will say a show is great after a dope couple of eps, then whenever a weaker episode airs they go back to trashing it. Seen this with Gotham, Arrow, and Flash earlier on.

Co-sign, You can see this in the last few pages of Black Sails thread. One gay scene and only one weak episode for the season but nikkas dropped the show and it ended up having one of the strongest finales I've seen on TV. The rampant homophobia on this forum...:deadrose:
 

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Co-sign, You can see this in the last few pages of Black Sails thread. One gay scene and only one weak episode for the season but nikkas dropped the show and it ended up having one of the strongest finales I've seen on TV. The rampant homophobia on this forum...:deadrose:

Breh it's outrageous...both the reactionary nikkas and also the homophobia. Cats always call out white people for racism or perceived racism but let there be one scene with a gay guy and the slurs start flying
 

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The more that I think about it, the coli is a lot like Remember the Titans: black people hate white people, white people hate black people, but all of that goes to the wayside when a gay person (or possibly gay) enters the scene. Then nikkas form like Voltron
 

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Breh it's outrageous...both the reactionary nikkas and also the homophobia. Cats always call out white people for racism or perceived racism but let there be one scene with a gay guy and the slurs start flying

Breh, I love the coli but I can't excuse a lot of the backwards shyt I see. Dudes are being called gay for not liking Spartacus series when it has a gay fanbase :mjlol:

The more that I think about it, the coli is a lot like Remember the Titans: black people hate white people, white people hate black people, but all of that goes to the wayside when a gay person (or possibly gay) enters the scene. Then nikkas form like Voltron

"Hey, fellas! Look at that fruitcake!" :laff:
 

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Breh, I love the coli but I can't excuse a lot of the backwards shyt I see. Dudes are being called gay for not liking Spartacus series when it has a gay fanbase :mjlol:



"Hey, fellas! Look at that fruitcake!" :laff:

straight :slapfight: which turns to :handshake: as soon as :wrist:..."suuuunshiiiine"

"He kissed me man!"

Cats watch empire gleefully but then get upset because the damn gay co creator had the nerve to make a main character gay and put some of his life and experiences in the story..how dare he
 
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