Guns, Germs, and Steel

[theworldismine13]

uh...with the division of labor that arises from agriculture and idle time of citizens...yes. Inevitably.

If a civilization fulfills the basic needs of most of its inhabitants, theres more time for other things

lol, i was just fuking with dude

 

[Blackking]

@Blackking

I have never read this book. Personally, I am in a different space and my opinions would first begin on the opposite scale. First off, I dont believe firearms, steel axes, iPods, smart tvs, etc advanced technology. My thinking is totally different. I feel we are on the lower end of technology and the earth and its civilizations resets itself (and history) periodically. I prefer a lower mortality rate over whatever so called technology we have that causes a higher rate.

I am not sure what the talk in here about superior technology being the reasoning for the slave trade. I will never subscribe to that theory. DIVIDE AND CONQUER method was the greatest tool in the slave trade. Africans helped sell Africans. Africa had too many people to take by guns. At that time all the Europeans in the world couldnt take Africa with guns alone. It was a more divisive strategy. I'll take telekinesis anyday over ELF waves.

Good look on the mention. I will read this book and research it...not because it will change my focus but because I am always down for scholarship. Again...conquest, colonialism, etc...even today happens in the mental first. The D&C method is always the key component and means to an end when speaking of domination. This is how Qaddafi met his end...but thats a story for another time. Physicality aint shyt without stragegy.

I agree that divide and conquer > over all these other tools. This book (I'm almost done, speed reader so I just picked it back up today) ....The dude really backs all this points and makes a good case..... but it's an incomplete case and other historians that I've read (tho I believe he's more of an earth scientist) Have made stronger cases for other shyt ---------------- AND they back their points up with records and events. Sure the technology helped and was key.. but the tactics was the best tool.

As far as ur first point.. I completely agree. What i do for a living is sorta a violation of privacy and subconsciously limits peoples choices and persuades their life choices without them even knowing it. So I see what ur saying. Also when I was in Iraq I saw these 19 year old white boys w no legs n shyt...... Hopefully u can tell where I'm going w that.

Also, we live longer....... but not necessarily better quality lives. People actually believe that we don't even need a balance when much or technology takes away freedoms and lowers quality of health(mental and physical). The mental should be self explanatory, but physically... why live longer if diabetes, hypertension, random illness, and obesity are going to increase? A third of us have high blood pressure... we live with more chronic disease... and science simply makes it so that we need 0 culture change because we can live w the shyt. They say that by 2030 half of American will be fat, sloppy, sick and fukked up...... but I bet we will still live longer.

I know all about Qaddafi and made the post and arguments during that time (and just recently on here) .... it's not that he was such a great guy, but our reaction to that entire sitution reminds me of the countless number of slaves that tipped off their owners every time there was a revolt (these revolts would be planned over months, covering multiple plantations - communicating w drums) .


Anyway, on the flip side - we are where we are. black people do need to be aware and participate in all technological advances because we will need to not get bossed up on again.

 

[theworldismine13]

not at all. dont put words in my mouth and dont try and cheapen what I said. if you are not accustomed to a certain brand of warfare it doesnt mean that you have less mental capacity. you cant tell me Africans saw the chit coming....and dont tell me Europeans didnt devise plans to carry out their actions. Just as with today....if it were implied that Europeans can go on an extermination path using weaponry be it chemical or otherwise and that strategy be overt do you think they could accomplish such a goal? No. It has to be calculated and covert. The physical aspect is always secondary.

But that is my point, the Europeans conducted warfare with ships and guns, ships and guns are technology, and the Africans were overwhelmed by ships and guns

It's very obvious even using your theory that Europeans had a technological advantage

On top of that the whole divide and conquer could not have happened if the Europeans did not have something to offer

I dont actually disagree with the divide and conquer theory, I said there were 2 reasons 1) the africans themselves participated with the european aka divide and conquer and 2) the europeans had a technological advantage

Both things happened at the same time and they built on each other, IMO there is t any reason to even seperate the two reasons

I'm not sure what your point about today is, the Europeans took out Ghadaffi overtly and they have taken out other leaders overtly using their superior technology

And of course technology is useless unless it's applied properly that is why the Chinese also lost to the europeans

 

[theworldismine13]

I agree that divide and conquer > over all these other tools.

You can't divide any conquer people unless you have something to offer, what the europeans offered was technology, so even if you think divide and conquer was the only reason you can't seperate it from technology

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

they always did. its called tricknology. its called savagery. its distributing smallpox through blankets passed off as gifts then saying the whole thing is a hoax. Europeans of the past are the most barbaric people in history....and they rarely needed superior weaponry to prove that.

you're just trolling right now.

technology be it UNDERSTANDING of biological warfare (though primitive) or sniping native americans who only have bows and arrows, I don't understand how this isn't technology.

 

[theworldismine13]

At the end of the day I take comfort that the european advantage was technological becuase at the end day technology doesn't belong to anybody, it belongs to whoever takes the time to study it

Black people can easily steal technology the same way the Greeks stole from the Egyptians or the Japanese took from americans

Now if the european conquered the americas, asia and Africa simply through the use of amazing mental powers to manipulate people then we non europeans are truly screwed for eternity

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Whats the point of calling it "divide and conquer?"

They didn't divide shyt. They grouped ALL of anyone who WAS NOT THEM and got what they wanted.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I agree that divide and conquer > over all these other tools. This book (I'm almost done, speed reader so I just picked it back up today) ....The dude really backs all this points and makes a good case..... but it's an incomplete case and other historians that I've read (tho I believe he's more of an earth scientist) Have made stronger cases for other shyt ---------------- AND they back their points up with records and events. Sure the technology helped and was key.. but the tactics was the best tool.

As far as ur first point.. I completely agree. What i do for a living is sorta a violation of privacy and subconsciously limits peoples choices and persuades their life choices without them even knowing it. So I see what ur saying. Also when I was in Iraq I saw these 19 year old white boys w no legs n shyt...... Hopefully u can tell where I'm going w that.

Also, we live longer....... but not necessarily better quality lives. People actually believe that we don't even need a balance when much or technology takes away freedoms and lowers quality of health(mental and physical). The mental should be self explanatory, but physically... why live longer if diabetes, hypertension, random illness, and obesity are going to increase? A third of us have high blood pressure... we live with more chronic disease... and science simply makes it so that we need 0 culture change because we can live w the shyt. They say that by 2030 half of American will be fat, sloppy, sick and fukked up...... but I bet we will still live longer.

I know all about Qaddafi and made the post and arguments during that time (and just recently on here) .... it's not that he was such a great guy, but our reaction to that entire sitution reminds me of the countless number of slaves that tipped off their owners every time there was a revolt (these revolts would be planned over months, covering multiple plantations - communicating w drums) .


Anyway, on the flip side - we are where we are. black people do need to be aware and participate in all technological advances because we will need to not get bossed up on again.

This entire paragraph is full of shyt.

Oh boy...

1. Just because you live longer doesn't mean your life will be better or have better "quality"

2. the quality of life HAS increased across the board. Thats undeniable. It continues to. I'm not going to argue with you over this.

3. technology is a tool that increases efficiency towards a goal. PERIOD. The consequences of that tech doesn't have any bearing on what you view about concepts of "freedom" or "privacy" as if those are innately dependent or protected from the evolution of methods i.e. technology

4. diabetes, hypertension, and "random illness" isn't increasing.

Over all, the rate of disease has been cut in half in a few generations.

Thats INSANE.

But the proportion of what we're dying of has changed...but that makes sense.

If you remove the entire bag of things to pick from, then the things that remain will take up more space of the resulting pool of things to pick from.














AND you missed the entire point of the book. You went from ONE day (and posting online ALL DAMN DAY) and reading a dense ass book like that. I seriously doubt you delved into the details and came to grasp the more technical details being discussed, especially the science-y parts.

The author makes weak points? On what? And compared to who? In what field of history and anthropology?

dont fukking front.

You read the wikipedia page and tried to stunt like you flipped through a tome during your commute home.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

thread didnt get past page 1 before it turned into a flame fest

@theworldismine13 gave dude that work

#factsonly

 

[Broke Wave]

it means that the written language of somalia was derived from arabic, i dont know what the official language of somalia is, isnt somalia just now creating a government, the new government has to decide that

i dont know about somalia specifically, but the arabs or muslims pretty much conquered north africa and large parts of east africa, and a lot the trade going on in africa was actually the trading of african slaves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zanzibar

so the ships and ports of east africa dont really refute the point that africans lost because of technology

So then learn something and shut the fukk up

This dude talking about us being 1k year old c00ns, and in the same breath admitting he doesn't know shyt about us. What boldness you have in carrying on a conversation you admittedly don't know the first thing about.

 

[theworldismine13]

So then learn something and shut the fukk up

This dude talking about us being 1k year old c00ns, and in the same breath admitting he doesn't know shyt about us. What boldness you have in carrying on a conversation you admittedly don't know the first thing about.

righteous indignation isnt gonna cut it, dudes own words in bragging about doing deals with arabs and the links i posted clearly show that somalians have been c00ning for 1000 years

what can i say, you learn something new everyday

 

[surv2syn]

You can't divide any conquer people unless you have something to offer, what the europeans offered was technology, so even if you think divide and conquer was the only reason you can't seperate it from technology

Now if the european conquered the americas, asia and Africa simply through the use of amazing mental powers to manipulate people then we non europeans are truly screwed for eternity

there is just no point in talking to you when you use modifiers like that. My stance is that technology is not the primary reason for dominance. I never said technology was not a factor. I never said divide and conquer was the ONLY reason. I never said Europeans conquered SIMPLY through the use of mental powers. Either you are twisting shyt to prove a point or you are illiterate as hell.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

yall still debating with this undercover st0rmfr0nt cac?

 

[theworldismine13]

there is just no point in talking to you when you use modifiers like that. My stance is that technology is not the primary reason for dominance. I never said technology was not a factor. I never said divide and conquer was the ONLY reason. I never said Europeans conquered SIMPLY through the use of mental powers. Either you are twisting shyt to prove a point or you are illiterate as hell.

I'm not sure why you are quoting those, why don't you quote where I said it was both things and that I don't even think you can seperate the two things or you should point out that I also used the qualifiers "even if" in the first quote and in the second quote I was simply pontificating generally, I wasn't even responding to you

 

[surv2syn]

I'm not sure why you are quoting those, why don't you quote where I said it was both things and that I don't even think you can seperate the two things or you should point out that I also used the qualifiers "even if" in the first quote and in the second quote I was simply pontificating generally, I wasn't even responding to you

well, thats where you and I agree. I just got the idea that you feel the technology was the primary factor whereas I believe it is not.