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you do realize the Atlantic slave trade didn't just consist of the Yoruba and igbo right? haplogroups//clusters can show that we are a conglomerate of Africans before the Atlantic slave trade,
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@theworldismine13 you r asking about the tech of two particular groups when the entire continent was raped???
What do you mean 'yoruba'??? You do know that's not just one tribe right? Anyway, they had language.. and even a drum language to pass info down... Ancient calenders... Most advanced nations in west africa had ships that transported men (hundreds) and products. And small boats and canoes was nothing for them... You know friend, 8000 years ago they were sailing on Mahogany, and most archaelogist claim that they've done this way before then.... it's just that some ships and boats didn't last over time........ Sort of the same way some tech from West Africa was destroyed with islamic invasions, chrstian invasions... and 'stolen' upon other invasions. The developed weapons the same way any tech was built.. combo of innovation and fullfilling a need - they didn't have a need for guns ( lol, so they thought) so they created other weapons..... but CAC didn't just come in poppin off bullets.... they traded the guns to Africans and certain tribes used those guns to repress others.
I'm not even gonna touch on Igbo, because I feel that you are being blatantly
disrespectful (if you know anything about anything) - You know that they were split up not unified and quite possible the easiest target on our planet!!!! during the time-frame for colonization. They didn't even know each other ... They only developed 1 identity after they gained knowledge of the 'white devil'
What do you mean 'yoruba'??? You do know that's not just one tribe right? Anyway, they had language.. and even a drum language to pass info down... Ancient calenders... Most advanced nations in west africa had ships that transported men (hundreds) and products. And small boats and canoes was nothing for them... You know friend, 8000 years ago they were sailing on Mahogany, and most archaelogist claim that they've done this way before then.... it's just that some ships and boats didn't last over time........ Sort of the same way some tech from West Africa was destroyed with islamic invasions, chrstian invasions... and 'stolen' upon other invasions. The developed weapons the same way any tech was built.. combo of innovation and fullfilling a need - they didn't have a need for guns ( lol, so they thought) so they created other weapons..... but CAC didn't just come in poppin off bullets.... they traded the guns to Africans and certain tribes used those guns to repress others.
I'm not even gonna touch on Igbo, because I feel that you are being blatantly
disrespectful (if you know anything about anything) - You know that they were split up not unified and quite possible the easiest target on our planet!!!! during the time-frame for colonization. They didn't even know each other ... They only developed 1 identity after they gained knowledge of the 'white devil'
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I don't know why u feel that starting something with me will validate u or benefit u but whatever.... it's cool.all things considered...you're a goddamn amateur.
Heres the thing.
Sometimes in life you must accept that there are EXPERTS...and non-experts.
YOU are not an expert.
you're not.
There are things that historians are spending their time on to figure out that you never will.
So in that sense, you don't really have an argument here. Thats why this book is so unique. No one has ever really thought about that issue in such a light before on that much of a scale.
and yes, you DID say there were weak points so don't try yo act like you said things that can't be quoted out here.
you're essentially backtracking on EVERY talking point you made
What I do know is that I haven't back tracked on shyt.... BUT I also haven't dissed the book.. I said it's good multiple times and you've taken that to mean that I'm dissing the book somehow.
You didn't write it, you really aren't an expert at shyt. You are foolishly being overly confrontational for no apparent reason...
But you also can't even back up your post with facts when ur trying to make ur personal attacks. If you can't understand that a person saying - "there are other arguments and points made by other historians Not included in the book" is not a diss then you clearly are being a lil bytch for no reason at all. The fact that you even feel that I'm trying to be a historian clearly shows your overall ignorance (or lack of perception). I didn't come in trying to start shyt or make a thread poppin off the type of bytch made extra confrontational BS that you are know for... I just asked questions like I ALWAYS do. (u just talk shyt because u know EVERYTHING, lol) I ask questions about the things that I don't have expertise in. So just fall back on acting like a bytch.. I'm not trying to beef w u on here so quit trying to attack shyt that isn't even there homie.
Peace.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
@theworldismine13 you r asking about the tech of two particular groups when the entire continent was raped???
What do you mean 'yoruba'??? You do know that's not just one tribe right? Anyway, they had language.. and even a drum language to pass info down... Ancient calenders... Most advanced nations in west africa had ships that transported men (hundreds) and products. And small boats and canoes was nothing for them... You know friend, 8000 years ago they were sailing on Mahogany, and most archaelogist claim that they've done this way before then.... it's just that some ships and boats didn't last over time........ Sort of the same way some tech from West Africa was destroyed with islamic invasions, chrstian invasions... and 'stolen' upon other invasions. The developed weapons the same way any tech was built.. combo of innovation and fullfilling a need - they didn't have a need for guns ( lol, so they thought) so they created other weapons..... but CAC didn't just come in poppin off bullets.... they traded the guns to Africans and certain tribes used those guns to repress others.
I'm not even gonna touch on Igbo, because I feel that you are being blatantly
so in other words the people were in west africa were technologically behind europeans, they did not have guns the most significant weapon of the era, they had ships 8000 years ago but not any in 1500 and most of the empires and nations had gone away or been destroyed by muslims
im glad we cleared that up
To entertain you...........
why didn't they have ships in the 1500's... and who says they didn't have ships in the 1500s?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
yeah im just using them as examples, but im just trying to find out the technological level of those groups, feel free to enlighten me on the ships, written language and other technologies of those groups that were enslaved and conquered by europeans
There point really isn't to present a full picture.
It's a common tactic.
and it goes over well with some people.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
To entertain you...........
why didn't they have ships in the 1500's... and who says they didn't have ships in the 1500s?
i said that they didnt have ships and you disagreed, please enlighten me on the ships and technology of the yoruba and igbo and other west africans in the 1500s
How is it possible that YOU Stated First that they didn't have ships..... but I need to explain my rebuttal first?
Just like every point in here you use this tactic, and I foolishly entertain it.....
You're good at what u do dude...
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
There point really isn't to present a full picture.
It's a common tactic.
if i say that the reason why the europeans conquered africa was because the africans were technologically behind then obviously im referring to the time period in the 1500-1600's when the conquering and enslavement occurred
if west africans had ships 8000 years ago, or kingdoms that were dead and gone or the egyptians had pyramids or the somalians were c00ning it up wth arabs, that is not relevant and its not a retort to the point i made
im obviously referring to the 1500AD time period, how did that go over your head?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
How is it possible that YOU Stated First that they didn't have ships..... but I need to explain my rebuttal first?
Just like every point in here you use this tactic, and I foolishly entertain it.....
You're good at what u do dude...
because im not aware of any historical record that says the people of west africa in the 1500s had ships, if there is please enlighten me
What historical records to you (we) view the most?
Think about the fact that the records have been changed hundreds of times .... and some were based off Muslim travels (and their writings).... then debunked by recent archeological findings.... I don't mean lil leaps either.... I mean shyt like... they didn't have ships pre early AD to ..... wow... have ships made out of mahogany 8k years ago.
In any case - you can't say that they had something....... Not show reason y they would no longer have it randomly for a period of time... then say that others Only had it. Also, you should note that most of the mid east murderers and rapist... at least expanded on tech that was already there.... there weren't normally in the bus of destroying technology.... look at their interactions with other asians, europe and africa. -------- Killing and shyt like that..... but combining the good ideas.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
What historical records to you (we) view the most?
Think about the fact that the records have been changed hundreds of times .... and some were based off Muslim travels (and their writings).... then debunked by recent archeological findings.... I don't mean lil leaps either.... I mean shyt like... they didn't have ships pre early AD to ..... wow... have ships made out of mahogany 8k years ago.
In any case - you can't say that they had something....... Not show reason y they would no longer have it randomly for a period of time... then say that others Only had it. Also, you should note that most of the mid east murderers and rapist... at least expanded on tech that was already there.... there weren't normally in the bus of destroying technology.... look at their interactions with other asians, europe and africa. -------- Killing and shyt like that..... but combining the good ideas.
i dont even follow what the hell you wrote but i take it that you have no evidence of any historical records that west africans had ships in 1500AD? did i miss anything else in all that word jumble you posted?
Yes...
The point, lol.
Also, You can't be to slow to get that the burden of proof isn't on me because I've shown (despite u all denying initially - and now moving the goal post) that they had ships, trading and transported people, animals, and products for thousands of years.. I say they always had the things that I've proven that they had. You have not proven that they randomly didn't have these thing any more.
I'm tired of having to lay shyt out for you all.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
yeah just like the egyptians built pyramids 8000 years and then they didnt, because they had lost the technology and got conquered by other people
so if the west africans had ships 8000 years or before 1500AD that wouldnt prove anything, because civilizations rise and they also fall and by 1500AD and before europeans came all of the great civilizations of west africa had fallen and by that time they were behind the europeans in technology, they did not have ships, they did not have guns and they did not have a written language and that is why it was so easy for a few europeans to conquer and enslave and conquer and divide
now we can do 2 things about the defeat
we can make a clear eyed analysis of why we lost and then try to correct things or we can wallow in some history about 8000 year old ships and 8000 year old pyramids and c00ning somalians that will make you feel better at night