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Napoleon said:
This entire paragraph is full of shyt. :what:

Oh boy... :snoop:

1. Just because you live longer doesn't mean your life will be better or have better "quality"

2. the quality of life HAS increased across the board. Thats undeniable. It continues to. I'm not going to argue with you over this.

3. technology is a tool that increases efficiency towards a goal. PERIOD. The consequences of that tech doesn't have any bearing on what you view about concepts of "freedom" or "privacy" as if those are innately dependent or protected from the evolution of methods i.e. technology

4. diabetes, hypertension, and "random illness" isn't increasing.

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Over all, the rate of disease has been cut in half in a few generations.

Thats INSANE.

But the proportion of what we're dying of has changed...but that makes sense.

If you remove the entire bag of things to pick from, then the things that remain will take up more space of the resulting pool of things to pick from.














AND you missed the entire point of the book. You went from ONE day (and posting online ALL DAMN DAY) and reading a dense ass book like that. I seriously doubt you delved into the details and came to grasp the more technical details being discussed, especially the science-y parts.
The author makes weak points? On what? And compared to who? In what field of history and anthropology?

dont fukking front.:ufdup:

You read the wikipedia page and tried to stunt like you flipped through a tome during your commute home. :comeon:
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I only skimmed ur post but ur usually on some extra confrontational shyt....
I said the book was good... not that he made weak points, I said that I felt there was some other factors based on other things that I've read.
I usually re-read books and I read fairly quickly + I highlight like a fiend.
You said - Just because you live longer doesn't mean your life will be better or have better "quality" And I not only agree, but that was the high level point of my post. Not to mention I wasn't really speaking to u.
 
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Blackking said:
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lol, u also believe that African's didn't have technology, language, or ships? wow.
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I don't get why you don't get that I'm talking about a specific time frame, in the 1500s Africans in west africa were behind in terms of technology, did not have ships and did not have their own written language, this weakness is why they were conquered by europeans

Even the "divide and conquer" theory requires that the Europeans were more advanced what other explanation is there for them being able to divide and conquer?

If the European was able to divide and conquer a technological equivalent society with a few men then that would be evidence that Europeans are inherently superior, in other words by you insisting that Africans were technologically equivalent you are just increasing the accomplishments of europeans
 
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theworldismine13 said:
I don't get why you don't get that I'm talking about a specific time frame, in the 1500s Africans in west africa were behind in terms of technology, did not have ships and did not have their own written language, this weakness is why they were conquered by europeans

Even the "divide and conquer" theory requires that the Europeans were more advanced what other explanation is there for them being able to divide and conquer?

If the European was able to divide and conquer a technological equivalent society with a few men then that would be evidence that Europeans are inherently superior, in other words by you insisting that Africans were technologically equivalent you are just increasing the accomplishments of europeans
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I get what ur saying.

begging the questions of all the Straws and also contraindicating the premises with dates.
 
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synistr said:
well, thats where you and I agree. I just got the idea that you feel the technology was the primary factor whereas I believe it is not.
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I'm jut explaining that even the divide and conquer theory requires that the Europeans were technologically superior or they had something the Africans wanted
 
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kemet_rocky said:
i thought you said Africans was less advanced then Europeans?, now your numbing it down to west Africans then finally your talking about tribes. which is it are you stating?
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He's doing 3 things.... in combination.

begging the questions of all the Straws and also contraindicating the premises with dates And Tribes...
 
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kemet_rocky said:
i thought you said Africans was less advanced then Europeans?, now your numbing it down to west Africans then finally your talking about tribes. which is it are you stating?
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Yeah becuase dudes were bringing in Somalians and other time periods that had nothing to do with the Atlantic African slave trade, so I'm just being specific

And by using specific names it shows the absurdity of trying to say that technology wasn't the main reason

So I'm just sitting back and waiting to hear about the ships, written language and technology of the yoruba and the igbo and other west African tribes in the 1500s
 
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Blackking said:
I only skimmed ur post but ur usually on some extra confrontational shyt....
I said the book was good... not that he made weak points, I said that I felt there was some other factors based on other things that I've read.
I usually re-read books and I read fairly quickly + I highlight like a fiend.
You said - Just because you live longer doesn't mean your life will be better or have better "quality" And I not only agree, but that was the high level point of my post. Not to mention I wasn't really speaking to u.
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all things considered...you're a goddamn amateur.

Heres the thing.

Sometimes in life you must accept that there are EXPERTS...and non-experts.

YOU are not an expert.

you're not.

There are things that historians are spending their time on to figure out that you never will.

So in that sense, you don't really have an argument here. Thats why this book is so unique. No one has ever really thought about that issue in such a light before on that much of a scale.

and yes, you DID say there were weak points so don't try yo act like you said things that can't be quoted out here.

you're essentially backtracking on EVERY talking point you made :pachaha:
 
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synistr said:
there is just no point in talking to you when you use modifiers like that. My stance is that technology is not the primary reason for dominance. I never said technology was not a factor. I never said divide and conquer was the ONLY reason. I never said Europeans conquered SIMPLY through the use of mental powers. Either you are twisting shyt to prove a point or you are illiterate as hell.
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There is no PRIMARY reason. There are many reasons, and technology is ON THAT LIST.

i don't care how you order it, but the fact that europeans had certain gadgets DID NOT HURT THEM.
 
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