Got Loyalty Got Royalty Inside Our DNA. Official Miami Heat 2017-18 Season Thread #DoItForTheCulture

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

12 minutes for Whiteside, what the f*ck

Can you guys give us Hornacek or Derek Fisher in exchange for Spo?

 

[Green Ranger]

Did the team or Spo try and get to cute and outsmarted themselves
Everyone and there mama figure with no Embiid that Whiteside would get the ball a lot and be involved a lot and it seem from the start that they did the complete opposite and didn’t even attempt to look in his direction

I’m not trying to make Whiteside prime Wilt or Shaq but for them to not even attempt to let him establish himself in the post without Embiid make no sense.

 

[dem bath salts]

We got that ass smashed. Their length fukked with Dragic's driving all night. And no Hassan. Had some real bad TO when we were up 10 in the first too.

 

[Armchair Militant]

The best case (realistic) scenario is that we bounce back, ball out, with Whiteside balling out especially, make it to the ECF, and lose a close 7 game series. That way we could get everyone's trade value up and hope a center-needy team gives up a 1st for Whiteside and Brooklyn stupidly gives us a 2nd for TJ.
Those are stretches but possible.

Do y'all think it's a pipe dream to get a 1st round pick back for Dragic? or a 1st for JJ? even late 1sts...
We need to recoup 2nd round picks.

Maybe they can get one for Dragic. I think they're stuck with JJ though.

 

[Sauce Dab]

Yall overreacting to one hot shooting game that they wont came anywhere close to duplicating....

They probably won't shoot 60+ % from 3 but they can shoot really well. It's not like that was luck what happened tonight

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

Been saying this for a while but Whiteside ain't as good as y'all think he is

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Been saying this for a while but Whiteside ain't as good as y'all think he is

He might not be. He’s looked physically limited all season compared to past years, but the team doesn’t try to do anything with him. You can’t produce without consistent minutes or touches, and he doesn’t get either on a regular basis.

 

[prophecypro]

I seen on twitter during the game everyone saying Whiteside trash and how this was kind of a national expose game for him and I thought "My Coli Heatwave aint gonna cape for him, no one is gonna say he actually needed to play more and it was just spo holding him back, nah not after this"

 

[Miggs]

They probably won't shoot 60+ % from 3 but they can shoot really well. It's not like that was luck what happened tonight

You was up 5 at halftime they had a lights out 3rd and lets be real yall let up when it got to 17-18 and stopped playing then it ballooned to 30 at the end...truth is that they wont be that good WITH Embiid cuz he'll take possessions from those 3s...Its one of those games where they shot an ungodly percentage and you forget about it...they would have beaten the Warriors shooting like that...

If you want positives,they played as well as they can possibly play and most of ur team played like shyt other than KO...That equals a 30 point loss.Theyre shooiting comes down to earth and Dragic,JJ,Wade,Ellington,Richardson play better,its a different game

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Another thing I just noticed. We’ve lost 13 of our last 15 on the road . How the hell did we forget to play away from home?

 

[McPiff]

Spo doing Whiteside wrong.


Anyway, on to the next one. The plan was always to win one game on their court, so we're still on schedule.

 

[Draje]

The game was just infuriating. How the fukk does Bellinelli look like Ray Allen when he plays against us? When will Spo understand that TJ simply isn't tall enough to bother taller shooters with quick triggers?

Where the fukk is Ellington because dude has been shooting like trash for sometime now?

We talking about trading these players but HOW?!? With what?

-Dragic ain't worth a first round pick. No one wants an aging point guard on his contract. We discussed this during the tank or not season but 1st round draft picks are stupid valuable because their contracts are so low and CBA punishes teams heavily now. Too many talented gems in the draft and cats like Mitchell, Kuzma, and the like have shown that it's possible to find real talent anywhere.

-TJ's contract isn't worth his production. He's an undersized SG that can get hot but isn't much of a playmaker.

-Waiters and JJ are making too much money to trade. These aren't easily movable contracts anymore because this isn't a vacuum. Age, length, and production matter.

-Whiteside is talented but teams are starting to figure him out and, like I said a while back, a jump happy 7 footer with nagging injuries is a ticking time bomb. Ever since that bone bruise, he's simply not mobile or explosive enough to consistently jump in the air to contest. He's embarrassed by stretch 5s and ends up getting ran off the court. He's good against certain centers (JV, Adams, Embiid, etc) but most of those teams will simply go small and force Whiteside to dominate them on offense which he just doesn't seem able to do consistently.

Kelly O and Rich are legit are most consistent and best players. Rich struggled but he's always elite defensively. Kelly is just a high IQ player that gives us offensively versatility.

And cats calling me a bandwagon fan for saying Philly had 3 young players we'd trade half our roster for individually and that I'm jealous of their future.

EDIT: JUST TO DRIVE THIS POINT HOME, we have the 4TH HIGHEST PAYROLL IN THE LEAGUE THIS YEAR AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE TOP 3 NEXT YEAR. 140 million dollars to be, at best, a middle of the pack team with no real championship hopes.

Philly is 22nd highest payroll in the league and they'll be around 70 million next year compared to our 140 million next year. Think about that.

 

[Grand Conde]

Need to get anything we can for Dragic, dude is a fukking bum.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

The game was just infuriating. How the fukk does Bellinelli look like Ray Allen when he plays against us? When will Spo understand that TJ simply isn't tall enough to bother taller shooters with quick triggers?

Where the fukk is Ellington because dude has been shooting like trash for sometime now?

We talking about trading these players but HOW?!? With what?

-Dragic ain't worth a first round pick. No one wants an aging point guard on his contract. We discussed this during the tank or not season but 1st round draft picks are stupid valuable because their contracts are so low and CBA punishes teams heavily now. Too many talented gems in the draft and cats like Mitchell, Kuzma, and the like have shown that it's possible to find real talent anywhere.

-TJ's contract isn't worth his production. He's an undersized SG that can get hot but isn't much of a playmaker.

-Waiters and JJ are making too much money to trade. These aren't easily movable contracts anymore because this isn't a vacuum. Age, length, and production matter.

-Whiteside is talented but teams are starting to figure him out and, like I said a while back, a jump happy 7 footer with nagging injuries is a ticking time bomb. Ever since that bone bruise, he's simply not mobile or explosive enough to consistently jump in the air to contest. He's embarrassed by stretch 5s and ends up getting ran off the court. He's good against certain centers (JV, Adams, Embiid, etc) but most of those teams will simply go small and force Whiteside to dominate them on offense which he just doesn't seem able to do consistently.

Kelly O and Rich are legit are most consistent and best players. Rich struggled but he's always elite defensively. Kelly is just a high IQ player that gives us offensively versatility.

And cats calling me a bandwagon fan for saying Philly had 3 young players we'd trade half our roster for individually and that I'm jealous of their future.

EDIT: JUST TO DRIVE THIS POINT HOME, we have the 4TH HIGHEST PAYROLL IN THE LEAGUE THIS YEAR AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE TOP 3 NEXT YEAR. 140 million dollars to be, at best, a middle of the pack team with no real championship hopes.

Philly is 22nd highest payroll in the league and they'll be around 70 million next year compared to our 140 million next year. Think about that.

The future seems pretty fukking bleak . The absolute worst thing to happen to this team was that 30-11 finish to last season. Nothing about it was sustainable. They needed to dump all their contracts at the deadline and prioritize space and picks. Now the question becomes “is Riley willing to do that?” and I don’t think he is.

 

[madness]

yall need to relax. one game does not a series make. this coaching staff will spend all night and tomorrow poring over film and make the necessary adjustments to close out on shooters better. if we come out hungry and determined in game 2 then we should only lose by 15 instead of 30