@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I mean he's not wrong. Kareem was missing the playoffs in the 70s after Oscar

This is the context behind what I was saying -

I've been breaking down AD's game on this board for years now, and have long been trying to get folks to see his standing in the game, during times when nobody a fukk about the Pelicans nor watched their games. Don't come with this nonsense about what's preventing me from understanding his ability and impact.

You wasn't with me shootin' in the gym.

The point is: ball-handlers naturally have more offensive impact than players who don't primarily handle the ball, as they dictate what happens on offense. The only thing that AD has control over is scoring for himself, when the main ball-handler gives him the ball.

For all his skill and ability, he can't run an offense, or to be more specific, he's not used as a piece to run the offense, therefore, he can't control the tempo, playmaking and creating scoring opportunities for his teammates, when his teammates touch the ball, what actions/sets to run, when to generate and capitalize on runs etc. It's why the knock on his game has been centered around his "empty stats" whenever he doesn't make the playoffs, which isn't the case, at all, it's just that his impact and influence only extends so far on the offensive end.

All the impact he has on offense is through scoring for himself when he's given the ball, which as I said, is the same for nearly every single big man who doesn't run the offense, especially big men who aren't prolific from behind the arc, as the 3-ball gives players a impact-bump.

You put a prime Cap in the league right now and give him an identical support cast to Luka's (in relation to position), and he wouldn't be able to have the impact that Luka has on the offensive end.

Since I was defending AD, I had to use an extremity; Ayton wouldn't have sufficed.

All I was doing was defending bigs in today's league from unwarranted criticism. Folks shytting on the likes of Embiid and AD for not having success leading their respective teams, but the same would apply to all-time great bigs of previous eras if they played in this era. They simply wouldn't have the same impact on offense as they did during their day.

AD's lack of success isn't because he isn't a great player - he's just a casualty of the era he's playing in.

It's the very reason why I used Cap as a reference point in the first place. Because he's the best of the best, and even he wouldn't dominate like he did during the 70s/80s.

TL;DR -

I was defending Anthony Davis, and stating that because he can't lead a team it's more about the big man becoming less impactful on that end in today's game. I was using Kareem to illustrate the point that even arguably the greatest big man of all wouldn't have the offensive impact Luka does (speaking strictly if they both existed in today's league). Traditional big men can't really compete with offensive centerpieces like Luka - they simply don't touch the ball enough.

The game is different now and not every great player from the past would have the same impact now as they did during their day.

Just as if you were to drop Luka back in the 70s, he wouldn't be able to dominate the ball like he does now.

 

[Boonapalist]

I mean he's not wrong. Kareem was missing the playoffs in the 70s after Oscar

Nah don’t do that. He made the playoffs as a rookie on an expansion team the year before Oscar. And the first year without Oscar he was injured. They were 35-30 with him and 3-14 without. The next year they would’ve made the playoffs if it weren’t for the rules back than.

 

[KidJSoul]

Nah don’t do that. He made the playoffs as a rookie on an expansion team the year before Oscar. And the first year without Oscar he was injured. They were 35-30 with him and 3-14 without. The next year they would’ve made the playoffs if it weren’t for the rules back than.

I didn't lie though

He missed the playoffs in the mid 70s with the Lakers

People clown Kobe, Curry, and even old man LeBron last year for missing the playoffs

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun....

 

[Lakerman0834]

You still wrong though even if your disorder won’t let you realize it or let it go

 

[calh45]

Ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun....

 

[Gritsngravy]

why do y’all do the most to tear down legends for nikkas who barely been in the league
Is it not enough to just watch basketball, I don’t even care when y’all Stan but y’all really be trying to downplay nikkas careers who took the league to another level

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

why do y’all do the most to tear down legends for nikkas who barely been in the league
Is it not enough to just watch basketball, I don’t even care when y’all Stan but y’all really be trying to downplay nikkas careers who took the league to another level

See, now, if you actually read my argument and not just a couple lines that the OP used to make a thread you'd see I wasn't tearing down legends, at all.

 

[god shamgod]

This the definition of a thread backfire

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You still wrong though even if your disorder won’t let you realize it or let it go

I don't expect you to admit fault.

You've created this gimmick over the years where you're my flea trying to attach yourself to all my shyt and be an irritant. You're a nobody who doesn't know shyt about hoops.

I've just here to flick you off for the 1000th time.

 

[Gritsngravy]

See, now, if you actually read my argument and not just a couple lines that the OP used to make a thread you'd see I wasn't tearing down legends, at all.

Why can’t luka just be great how come u have to compare to other dudes who are certified legends

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Why can’t luka just be great how come u have to compare to other dudes who are certified legends

Probably best to read my entire argument, rather than just those couple of lines. I was actually defending big men. I was illustrating a point about how big men don't have as much impact on the offensive end in today's game, and folks need to have some perspective when shytting on the likes of AD for not being able to lead a team.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Probably best to read my entire argument, rather than just those couple of lines. I was actually defending big men. I was illustrating a point about how big men don't have as much impact on the offensive end in today's game, and folks need to have some perspective when shytting on the likes of AD for not being able to lead a team.

This is a conversation, but did you really have to say luka is more impactful than Kareem to illustrate that point

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is a conversation, but did you really have to say luka is more impactful than Kareem to illustrate that point

I said in today's game he'd have more offensive impact. Not back in the 70s, or even in an historical context. And yes, I did need to use Cap as a reference because he's arguably the greatest big man ever and even his impact on that end would be reduced in today's league.

This is just how the game is now. It doesn't subtract anything away from what he did in his day.

 

[Gritsngravy]

I said in today's game he'd have more offensive impact. Not back in the 70s, or even in an historical context. And yes, I did need to use Cap as a reference because he's arguably the greatest big man ever and even his impact on that end would be reduced in today's league.

This is just how the game is now. It doesn't subtract anything away from what he did in his day.

With this logic rondo is top five most impactful players in the history of the nba