Genetic evidence suggests European migrants may have influenced the origins of India's caste system

[bouncy]

Well put! You know I always wondered if these folks actually came from that region. Im always struck by the fact that the call the Iberian peninsula such because the land of Iberia is actually where the present day republic of georgia resides and the caucus mountains are there hence the idea of "caucasianess." Some scholars also say that the Aryan came from a country called Joorkistan on the Caspian Sea and from there they invaded Persia, India and Europe; Some of these scholars even state that the peoples of Europe were much darker peoples and that they were invaded by the Aryans. There's no way that original race in Europe was the Keltoi\Celts because their name implies milk meaning they were very white skinned.

If you want to get even deeper on the this area of the world being a hot spot where "whites" began their agenda to rule the world, read this site. It deals with the neanderthals who had a place in the Caucasus mountains region. These people mingled with modern man, and their dna, is what caused modern man to have certain characteristics. It's a good read. The writer came up with this in the 70's and people used to laugh at him, and now science is showing he was right but, he adds more to it. It goes deep, to how we think of time, and our place in it. Mind you the guy is a white jew so that needs to be taken into account because a lot of people laugh at stuff like this if a black says it, like some people on this site. Check it out:

http://www.michaelbradley.info/

However, on August 27, 2011, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), quoting a spokesman from Harvard, stated that the now-accepted level of Neanderthal DNA in modern living humanity is closer to six percent instead of "from 1 to 4 percent". We're gradually edging toward the objective truth since that first dramatic May 6, 2010 concession in Science, and the new estimate of "six percent" very comfortably accommodates the population of both the Caucasus Middle East and Islamic western and Central Asia.

Now, assuming this sort of concentration of Neanderthal DNA in the Caucasus Middle East, that "1 to 4" percent (or, now, six percent) of world population suddenly becomes very significant indeed. It means that the Semitic peoples of the Middle East -- Jews, Arabs and others (like Armenians) -- must, therefore, be substantially Neanderthal.

 

[KenyaDoll]

My Brahmin professors and classmates (we are all sociologists) use to often discuss the typical upper caste phenotype which often included references to typical skin tone and features. Of course the discussions were more nuanced, but I won't deny that it was often mentioned in discussions about caste. But what do they know?

Also, one of my Brahmin professors was on the darker side (close to my complexion).

 

[88m3]

It's not really a topic I'm interested in arguing but I'm happy we have a handful of posters who take the time to debunk the junk pseudoscience that is constantly being posted here.

 

[bouncy]

It's not really a topic I'm interested in arguing but I'm happy we have a handful of posters who take the time to debunk the junk pseudoscience that is constantly being posted here.

So you call TWO articles that deal with vast numbers of people(over 1300 people), and was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, pseudoscience?

Man, you people are GOOOOONNNNNEEE!

"The study, led by Michael Bamshad of the University of Utah, in Salt Lake City, and his colleagues, is reported to be the most comprehensive genetic analysis to date of the impact of European migrations on the structure and origin of the current Indian population. The article appears in the current issue of Genome Research"

"The American Society of Human Genetics (ASHG), founded in 1948, is the primary professional membership organization for human genetics specialists worldwide. The Society’s nearly 8,000 members include researchers, academicians, clinicians, laboratory practice professionals, genetic counselors, nurses and others who have a special interest in the field of human genetics. Our members work in a wide range of settings, including universities, hospitals, institutes, and medical and research laboratories."

 

[88m3]

So you call TWO articles that deal with vast numbers of people(over 1300 people), and was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, pseudoscience?

Man, you people are GOOOOONNNNNEEE!

"The study, led by Michael Bamshad of the University of Utah, in Salt Lake City, and his colleagues, is reported to be the most comprehensive genetic analysis to date of the impact of European migrations on the structure and origin of the current Indian population. The article appears in the current issue of Genome Research"

"The American Society of Human Genetics (ASHG), founded in 1948, is the primary professional membership organization for human genetics specialists worldwide. The Society’s nearly 8,000 members include researchers, academicians, clinicians, laboratory practice professionals, genetic counselors, nurses and others who have a special interest in the field of human genetics. Our members work in a wide range of settings, including universities, hospitals, institutes, and medical and research laboratories."

10/10 they're trying to find a basis for their garbage ass religion.

 

[bouncy]

10/10 they're trying to find a basis for their garbage ass religion.

That was from the first study first of all, and the second study was from the ASHG. What's your excuse for them?

One person says the white people just want credit for the caste system, then you say a university is trying to find a basis for their religion!

 

[88m3]

That was from the first study first of all, and the second study was from the ASHG. What's your excuse for them?

One person says the white people just want credit for the caste system, then you say a university is trying to find a basis for their religion!

just my 2 cents


who contributed to the article posted in the journal(which generally anyone in the field can do btw until it's debunked)


just because works are published it really doesn't mean much, just a hypothesis at the end of the day

 

[bouncy]

just my 2 cents


who contributed to the article posted in the journal(which generally anyone in the field can do btw until it's debunked)


just because works are published it really doesn't mean much, just a hypothesis at the end of the day

Yes anything can be argued against but, you have a brain use it. Two different articles prove what has been argued for years through the genes of the people, both were published YEARS APART, but it's pseudoscience, and you, as well as others just pay it no mind?

Authors
http://www.cell.com/ajhg/references/S0002-9297(13)00324-8

http://www.healthline.com/health-ne...o-millenia-of-caste-relations-in-india-081213

The researchers also found that the estimated dates aligned with clues in geography and language, with groups that spoke Indo-European languages in the north admixing, or interbreeding, before groups that spoke Dravidian languages in the south.

What Does This Research Mean?
Because intermarriage declined sharply around 2,000 years ago, Indian people today face specific genetic health issues.

"An important consequence of these results is that the high incidence of genetic and population-specific diseases characteristic of present-day India is likely to have increased only in the last few thousand years when groups in India started following strict endogamous marriage," said co-first author Dr. Kumarasamy Thangaraj of the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research's Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology in a press release.

 

[Camile.Bidan]

OK prinicpality of zero. You are another one when shown something that you don't like you flip or ignore.

You claim no one knows where the Aryans were from, then say they spread from Central Asia. Sounds like you are making shyt up as you go along. Now is this theory of yours from the "horse theory"? I see you are also making a claim that the aryans were war like people but, that is ONE theory, not fact. The other theory is they traveled and spred from farming techniques. Why are you choosing one thing to say as fact, and totally ignoring the other. BULLshyt ARTIST THAT'S WHY. I see nothing has changed with you. Hows that mung dna going for you?.

Also, from the link you posted:
"Despite support for an Anatolian Indo- European origin, we think it unlikely that agriculture serves as the sole driver of language expansion on the continent. The five major Indo-European subfamilies—Celtic, Germanic, Italic, Balto-Slavic, and Indo-Iranian—all emerged as distinct lineages between 4000 and 6000 years ago (Fig. 2 and fig. S1), contemporaneous with a number of later cultural expansions evident in the archaeological record, including the Kurgan expansion (5–7)

The article is basically saying the Indo-European origins come from the Anatolian or in modern terms Turkey. If you look on the map, one can easily travel to the eastern parts of europe, and to turkey, easily. As well as go to the north towards russia.

Again read the O.P.:

"Bamshad's team found that Y chromosomes from the Brahmin and Kshatriya closely resembled European Y chromosomes rather than Asian Y chromosomes. The Y chromosomes from the lower castes bore more similarities to the Asian Y chromosome. The mitochondrial DNA showed the same pattern.

The authors believe their results support the notion that Europeans who migrated into India between 3,000 and 8,000 years ago may have merged with or imposed their social structure on the native northern Indians and placed themselves into the highest castes.

Analysis of the paternally transmitted Y chromosome among Indians in general indicated that the Y chromosome had a more European flavor. Maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA among Indians is more Asian than European. This suggests that the Europeans who entered India were predominantly male."

the Aryan's didn't come from Europe. It's misleading and stupid to say that. Europeans didn't invade Indian and write the rig Vedas. The "Uncles and cousins" of Europeans invaded India.


The Anatolian origin is highly disputed. These linguist ripped it apart:





Yes, I do subscribe to the Steppe origin (central Asian) of the Aryans because I believe that the evidence is stronger for that theory.




Modern-day anatolians seem to be a Semitic-origin people who switched to a mongol-Turk/Altaic language somewhere along the way. Only 5% of modern-day Turkish people seem to descend from East Asians but they speak an Asian language (Turkish)

 

[GetInTheTruck]

@lotty you keep posting these articles acting like nobody here is familiar with the Aryan invasion theory....we are, that's not the point. But you seem to be unaware that the same people who are behind that theory are the same people who say the Egyptians weren't black, and who divide Africa into northern caucasoids, and southern negroids. Are these really the people you want to accept your information from? If I started to post articles like that you'd accuse me promoting cac science.

The Aryan invasion theory is a product of eurocentric academic racism and even those scholars who somewhat support the idea have now favored an Aryan "migration" model instead. The fact of the matter, however, is that according to these theories, the Aryans were some nomadic mountain people who went to northern India and established their dominance there while pushing the darker inhabitants south....that's interesting and all, except there's no evidence at all for it.

The Rig Veda doesn't mention any land outside India where the Aryans supposedly came from, and all the places referenced in hindu scriptures are in India itself. Sanskrit is the oldest Indo-european language on earth and the only place it is spoken is in India. This poses a major problem for your premise, and it also posed a problem for racist european academics who didn't want to accept that their languages probably had an Indian origin.

"Aryan" is not a race, it's a title.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Caste system is not as old as india and NOT in the hindu holy books

 

[GetInTheTruck]

My Brahmin professors and classmates (we are all sociologists) use to often discuss the typical upper caste phenotype which often included references to typical skin tone and features. Of course the discussions were more nuanced, but I won't deny that it was often mentioned in discussions about caste. But what do they know?

Also, one of my Brahmin professors was on the darker side (close to my complexion).

Because of affirmative action like policies in India related to caste, a lot of brahmins lie about their caste and change their name in order to get into top schools. This wouldn't even be possible if caste could be identified by looks alone. Caste is identified by surname, and in the case of brahmins, they are usually identified by both surname and gotra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotra.

both sides of my fam are brahmins and we are pretty diverse in regards to complexion, some of us are dark, some fair....it's a mixed bag really, and it's mainly due to the fact that brahmin men tend to always marry women who are lighter than them. I'm close to your complexion as well assuming that's you in your avy.

 

[bouncy]

@Camile.Bidan

Because I'm an honest person I do appreciate the second video you posted because unlike some of you I have no bias, I just want to figure out the truth. Let me make one thing clear, I like learning about history BUT, I also know because everyone has their own agendas in the world, that I don't take it too serious. It doesn't do anything but make me realize I can be great too. I don't care where the history is from or about, I don't hold it in great regards because it can be lies for a lot of what's told. I love things I can see and that is the arts and science. I think anyone who takes this history shyt to their soul is losing a battle with life and that is what I see in you. The same for religious people. They put all the beliefs in THEIR way of thinking, and assume its the truth and the history of the religion is honest such as the case with Hindu.

I like doing stuff like this because it shows me how closed minded a lot of people are and put all their stock into history when that is such a small matter in life. Its cool don't get me wrong, you should learn about your past but what are the skills YOU are offering the world to make it better just like the people you praise in such a high regard. This history shyt gives me a headache! For everything that is taught, you eventually find an opposite story to it. Ain't no way in hell I'm spending my energy arguing about shyt that can never be proven 95%-100%. I'll just hear both sides, come up with my conclusions and keep it moving. Y'all can have this shyt. This shyt is why so many people who deal with religion or history in depth go crazy or have that crazy vibe, its stressful to the brain. Just dealing with this topic and finding so many different accounts reminded me why I didn't go deep with history, unless its recent, and even then its the same thing. On this site people argue about the origins of hip hop, and it has been shown it goes deeper the the Bronx, but some ignore that or they give hip hop a different meaning or some just say it comes from Jamaica not even understanding what they are saying, they are just repeating what they heard.

Damn, I woke up with a wack ass feeling trying to figure out the truth to all this only to be back at square one. fukk this shyt. When i come up with physical science theories, biological theories, psychological theories or artistic ideas, i wake up refreshed and ready to figure shyt out, I get answers. With this history and religion shyt, it goes nowhere. There is no end result.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

exactly, that's over 1,500 years before the british got there, you just proved my point.
someone stating they dictated and had more control over india than they really did. sounds about right to me.

Breh this articles has nothing to do with Brits. They are talking about Male Europeans invading there 3000 years ago...

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

just my 2 cents


who contributed to the article posted in the journal(which generally anyone in the field can do btw until it's debunked)


just because works are published it really doesn't mean much, just a hypothesis at the end of the day

You don't have 2 cents to contribute friend...