Genetic evidence suggests European migrants may have influenced the origins of India's caste system

[GetInTheTruck]

@GetInTheTruck We all know the Aryan invasion theory is all but debunked at this point, but isn't the Aryan migration theory also iffy in light of recent genetic evidence?

I'm arguing with some guy IRL, and this article seems to support a good deal of what you've been saying:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indians-are-not-descendants-of-aryans-study/1/163645.html

As an aside (somewhat related to the thread title), cacs seem to liberally pick and choose what constitutes "white" or "Caucasian" - one minute it's only Anglo's and Slavs, the next it's every single race on the planet that isn't East Asian, North/South American, Austronesian, Melanesian or sub-Saharan African minus Kushytic people (cacs sometimes claim them too ).

The two places Europeans have always been obsessed with are Egypt and India, and this goes back to ancient times. They've produced an entire academia built around this obsession and that's where things like the Aryan Invasion theory and "racialist" studies came from - dividing Africa into white/black, and India into North/South or Aryan/Non-Aryan.

In the case of India, it's a little complicated. The AIT/AMT is designed mainly around two things - loose interpretation of religious scripture, mainly the Rig Veda, and language. The study and instruction of the Vedas and Vedic texts has always been exclusive to Brahmins only...not every Hindu was allowed to learn the Vedas, and lower castes just trusted the Brahmins to keep the traditions safe. Many people wont admit it, but the strict rigidity of the caste system is the MAIN reason why ancient culture and traditions of India have been preserved up until now, as opposed to what happened to the cultures of other peoples who came into contact with Arabs and Europeans. The Hindu social system is unique from other class systems in that it prioritizes teachers, sages, and gurus OVER kings and royalty, that's because it's a spiritual system designed to deal with material life. I'm not defending caste discrimination or anything like that, but this is a complex issue that many people gloss over when trying to understand the caste system.

This has had a negative effect though, because since Brahmins themselves are a minority in India, most Indian hindus simply weren't equipped to defend their religious texts from the shady interpretation of European racialists. European intellectuals eagerly learned sanskrit and were teaching it in their own academic institutions while Indians were busy learning english

As for AIT/AMT, I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle. The language division between North/South India is definitely perplexing, but it shouldn't be that crazy to assume that India could have birthed two language families on it's own without some type of foreign influence. "Aryan" or "Brahminical" Hinduism has been preserved in darker South India, not lighter North India, that alone is a big reason why race or color based caste theories are all bullshyt.

 

[Sensei]

Its not likely European migrants came to the Sub Continent some ages ago. There are Indo-Aryans who have roots in Central Asia that migated to South Asia. These Indo Aryans had Vedic traditions and made a home on the Subcontinent. These people would retain the genetic ANI and would have over ASI. R1a and R2a is all over the Central Asian and European continent.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

You believe what these cacs say?

caste system was there well before the brits got there, simple research will tell you that, its not like india didn't have written history or a 5,000 year old civilization you can go to for reference. LOL

and the caste system has nothing to do with skin color, so darker indians had very powerful positions, still do.

Smh Aryans came to India from Europe long before Brits see the history...

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Smh Aryans came to India from Europe long before Brits see the history...

that's not true at all and you have zero proof.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Smh Aryans came to India from Europe long before Brits see the history...

Enough has been said in this thread to dispute that. What are you basing that on.

 

[Northern Son]

The two places Europeans have always been obsessed with are Egypt and India, and this goes back to ancient times. They've produced an entire academia built around this obsession and that's where things like the Aryan Invasion theory and "racialist" studies came from - dividing Africa into white/black, and India into North/South or Aryan/Non-Aryan.

In the case of India, it's a little complicated. The AIT/AMT is designed mainly around two things - loose interpretation of religious scripture, mainly the Rig Veda, and language. The study and instruction of the Vedas and Vedic texts has always been exclusive to Brahmins only...not every Hindu was allowed to learn the Vedas, and lower castes just trusted the Brahmins to keep the traditions safe. Many people wont admit it, but the strict rigidity of the caste system is the MAIN reason why ancient culture and traditions of India have been preserved up until now, as opposed to what happened to the cultures of other peoples who came into contact with Arabs and Europeans. The Hindu social system is unique from other class systems in that it prioritizes teachers, sages, and gurus OVER kings and royalty, that's because it's a spiritual system designed to deal with material life. I'm not defending caste discrimination or anything like that, but this is a complex issue that many people gloss over when trying to understand the caste system.

This has had a negative effect though, because since Brahmins themselves are a minority in India, most Indian hindus simply weren't equipped to defend their religious texts from the shady interpretation of European racialists. European intellectuals eagerly learned sanskrit and were teaching it in their own academic institutions while Indians were busy learning english

As for AIT/AMT, I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle. The language division between North/South India is definitely perplexing, but it shouldn't be that crazy to assume that India could have birthed two language families on it's own without some type of foreign influence. "Aryan" or "Brahminical" Hinduism has been preserved in darker South India, not lighter North India, that alone is a big reason why race or color based caste theories are all bullshyt.

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, I learned a lot. Some of this I was already aware of, but I had no idea about the exclusionary nature of the Vedas teachings, the Europeans distorting the meaning of Sanskrit for their own benefit, and all that being a major reason for all the confusion/misinterpretations. That makes a lot of sense.

The two places Europeans have always been obsessed with are Egypt and India, and this goes back to ancient times. They've produced an entire academia built around this obsession and that's where things like the Aryan Invasion theory and "racialist" studies came from - dividing Africa into white/black, and India into North/South or Aryan/Non-Aryan.

It's truly sickening isn't it ?

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

The two places Europeans have always been obsessed with are Egypt and India, and this goes back to ancient times. They've produced an entire academia built around this obsession and that's where things like the Aryan Invasion theory and "racialist" studies came from - dividing Africa into white/black, and India into North/South or Aryan/Non-Aryan.

So true.