Genetic evidence suggests European migrants may have influenced the origins of India's caste system

[bouncy]

and you say this so confidently based on what?

So if if I put 20 random Indians in front of you're saying you could accurately guess each ones caste based on appearance alone?

Forget it. Yeah you're right. Man, you are the one of the most intellectually dishonest people I have ever argued with. You stay twisting words, and have me going in circles saying the same thing. People in the sciences who are HONEST, can see things for what they are, and that is who I should be discussing this with. I'm a dumb ass for doing this so you are right. Happy

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Forget it. Yeah you're right. Man, you are the one of the most intellectually dishonest people I have ever argued with. You stay twisting words, and have me going in circles saying the same thing. People in the sciences who are HONEST, can see things for what they are, and that is who I should be discussing this with. I'm a dumb ass for doing this so you are right. Happy

What am I being dishonest about? You used the words "upper caste look," right? So correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that imply that all upper-caste Indians should typically look alike? So wouldn't that mean that if I put 10 Indians in front of you that had 3 brahmins mixed in with them, you would have little trouble pointing them out?

The funny shyt about this you're supporting cacology if you really believe a bunch of mysterious Europeans came to India, conquered them, and created the caste system as some sort of racial heirarchy. There's no evidence for that whatsoever. Recorded European migrations to India can only be confirmed to have happened after 500 bc, well after the caste system was already woven into the fabric of Indian society.

 

[bouncy]

What am I being dishonest about? You used the words "upper caste look," right? So correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that imply that all upper-caste Indians should typically look alike? So wouldn't that mean that if I put 10 Indians in front of you that had 3 brahmins mixed in with them, you would have little trouble pointing them out?

The funny shyt about this you're supporting cacology if you really believe a bunch of mysterious Europeans came to India, conquered them, and created the caste system as some sort of racial heirarchy. There's no evidence for that whatsoever. Recorded European migrations to India can only be confirmed to have happened after 500 bc, well after the caste system was already woven into the fabric of Indian society.

"A wise man don't argue with fools because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

 

[Camile.Bidan]

What a stupid misleading thread title....

The Aryans didn't even reach Europe until 5000bc.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...pean-genetic-history-dna-archaeology-science/

"This population moves in around 4,000 to 5,000 [B.C.], but where it came from remains a mystery, as we can't see anything like it in the areas surrounding Europe," Cooper said."



But somehow the Aryan invaders of Vedic times were FROM Europe? people are just now barely starting figure out the homeland of the Aryan people using genetics and linguistic techniques. Guess what? It's not Europe.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08/proto-indo-european-homeland-in.html


another thing....
Indians and Russians/Slavs are R1a while Europeans have r1b

the Aryan invaders of both Europe and India came from same region. Thus, they closer to each other. That doesn't mean that India was invaded by Europeans.

The Aryans were Neolithic war-like people that spread from Central Asia. Their legacy civilizations were probably Persia, Greece, the Hittites, and Vedic India.

I wonder if blonde hair, red hair and blue eyes were pre-aryan European traits that the invading Aryans later absorbed.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

"A wise man don't argue with fools because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

You really thought you were doing something with this thread huh

don't worry, when hidden colors 3.5 drops maybe you can bump this thread with some more of your insight

 

[The Real]

Look at what you wrote. There was a period of mixing which was for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, and the all of a sudden things stopped. This coincides with the time of northern india being invaded by eurpeons and the caste system starting This is why the test were done, to see if this was true, and it turns out it was. How hard is it fot yall to understand this?

No, the mixing that was happening for thousands of years involved the Indo-Aryan speakers, the ones who were a little closer to Europeans genetically. They were the ones mixing with the existing people of the subcontinent. Then, after that, the caste system set in. There was no third group from Europe who came in. The caste system emerged in India after the mixtures.

 

[bouncy]

What a stupid misleading thread title....

The Aryans didn't even reach Europe until 5000bc.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...pean-genetic-history-dna-archaeology-science/

"This population moves in around 4,000 to 5,000 [B.C.], but where it came from remains a mystery, as we can't see anything like it in the areas surrounding Europe," Cooper said."



But somehow the Aryan invaders of Vedic times were FROM Europe? people are just now barely starting figure out the homeland of the Aryan people using genetics and linguistic techniques. Guess what? It's not Europe.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08/proto-indo-european-homeland-in.html


another thing....
Indians and Russians/Slavs are R1a while Europeans have r1b

the Aryan invaders of both Europe and India came from same region. Thus, they closer to each other. That doesn't mean that India was invaded by Europeans.

The Aryans were Neolithic war-like people that spread from Central Asia. Their legacy civilizations were probably Persia, Greece, the Hittites, and Vedic India.

I wonder if blonde hair, red hair and blue eyes were pre-aryan European traits that the invading Aryans later absorbed.

OK prinicpality of zero. You are another one when shown something that you don't like you flip or ignore.

You claim no one knows where the Aryans were from, then say they spread from Central Asia. Sounds like you are making shyt up as you go along. Now is this theory of yours from the "horse theory"? I see you are also making a claim that the aryans were war like people but, that is ONE theory, not fact. The other theory is they traveled and spred from farming techniques. Why are you choosing one thing to say as fact, and totally ignoring the other. BULLshyt ARTIST THAT'S WHY. I see nothing has changed with you. Hows that mung dna going for you?.

Also, from the link you posted:
"Despite support for an Anatolian Indo- European origin, we think it unlikely that agriculture serves as the sole driver of language expansion on the continent. The five major Indo-European subfamilies—Celtic, Germanic, Italic, Balto-Slavic, and Indo-Iranian—all emerged as distinct lineages between 4000 and 6000 years ago (Fig. 2 and fig. S1), contemporaneous with a number of later cultural expansions evident in the archaeological record, including the Kurgan expansion (5–7)

The article is basically saying the Indo-European origins come from the Anatolian or in modern terms Turkey. If you look on the map, one can easily travel to the eastern parts of europe, and to turkey, easily. As well as go to the north towards russia.

Again read the O.P.:

"Bamshad's team found that Y chromosomes from the Brahmin and Kshatriya closely resembled European Y chromosomes rather than Asian Y chromosomes. The Y chromosomes from the lower castes bore more similarities to the Asian Y chromosome. The mitochondrial DNA showed the same pattern.

The authors believe their results support the notion that Europeans who migrated into India between 3,000 and 8,000 years ago may have merged with or imposed their social structure on the native northern Indians and placed themselves into the highest castes.

Analysis of the paternally transmitted Y chromosome among Indians in general indicated that the Y chromosome had a more European flavor. Maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA among Indians is more Asian than European. This suggests that the Europeans who entered India were predominantly male."

 

[bouncy]

No, the mixing that was happening for thousands of years involved the Indo-Aryan speakers, the ones who were a little closer to Europeans genetically. They were the ones mixing with the existing people of the subcontinent. Then, after that, the caste system set in. There was no third group from Europe who came in. The caste system emerged in India after the mixtures.

That is what I stated. Read again, and all you did was write why I did in a different wording:

"There was a period of mixing which was for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, and the all of a sudden things stopped. This coincides with the time of northern india being invaded by Europeans and the caste system starting".

Indo-Aryan is another word for people form turkey, right next to the Caucasus mountains. If you look at the map these people could have easily went all throughout eastern, and northern Europe. They were not some secluded group who just happen to go south to india, and mix with them. This is one reason why the "horse theory" was developed. Here is something on Indo-Aryan, and what some call the origin of civilization. I can go deep with this on how whites began, and evolved but, all I'm going to get is arguing and twisting my words with that because that is REALLY deep. I'm probably wasting time with this because yall didn't even read a simple science article properly.
http://arevordi.blogspot.com/2005/12/indo-european-aryan-homeland-map-above.html

Indo-European 'Aryan' Homeland

The map below essentially revels the pre-historic route proto-Indo-European (Aryan) tribes took during their epic journey that began approximately six to eight thousand years ago. According to this well developed theory, Indo-European Armenians, Greeks and Persians essentially evolved from the remnants of those tribes that had stayed within the general vicinity of their origin. Many linguistics experts and archeologists are now coming to the conclusion that the Armenian Highlands is where the first Aryans emerged. It is the Armenian nation today that still remains within the epicenter of the birthplace of Aryanism. Note: Thracian Phrygians (also known as the Mushki) who are simply a component of the Armenian nation, essentially returned to the land of their origin when they re-entered the Armenian Highlands approximately 1,500-1,000 BC.

Maybe I should have worded it different since yall seem to not understand, even though the article says things in plain english. People who had the same DNA to what we call Europeans today, specifically the Y chromosome(the male chromosome), made their way into northern india, and the fact that it was mostly male coincides with the theory of the aryans invading northern eruope and imposing the caste system as we know it today, and making themselves be a part of the higher caste. And the mixing before the invasion was with southern, and northern, not just those with european dna, if at all. Did yall even read the study because these things were dealt with in the articles. There are even more articles showing the differences in the people.

 

[bouncy]

You really thought you were doing something with this thread huh

don't worry, when hidden colors 3.5 drops maybe you can bump this thread with some more of your insight

You can laugh all you want, people who know the deal know. I don't care if a million people agree with you, that doesn't make you right. I been through this a million times before, the difference is I deal with actual science I can recreate and prove my points in everyday life. Stuff like history is too easy to fool people with because most people only believe the first thing they are taught, and its hard to change them after that. This is why you can show people the science when it comes to health, and if they are living the opposite of whats being taught, they won't change, unless something life threatening happens to them, and even then most don't change. I'm stupid for thinking someone who believes everything they read without objective thinking will even listen to what I'm saying. The fact that you tried to tell me buddha was wearing a cap, when my eye cans plainly see it was his hair, shows me I'm fighting a losing battle with you. Thank god others could see the same thing I saw.
I'm not a blind fool

 

[bouncy]

Another one:

http://www.nature.com/news/a-turkish-origin-for-indo-european-languages-1.11270
A Turkish origin for Indo-European languages

Languages as diverse as English, Russian and Hindi can trace their roots back more than 8,000 years to Anatolia — now in modern-day Turkey. That's the conclusion of a study1 that assessed 103 ancient and contemporary languages using a technique normally used to study the evolution and spread of disease. The researchers hope that their findings can settle a long-running debate about the origins of the Indo-European language group.

of topic but a good read:http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...lysis-suggests/2011/04/14/AFaIoueD_story.html


Human language arose in southern Africa, first-of-its-kind analysis suggests

 

[IVS]

Well I will say that it was written by a few scholars that there was an Aryan invasion of India and that the Aryan Brahmins were responsible for establishing the caste system in India.

 

[IVS]

You believe what these cacs say?

caste system was there well before the brits got there, simple research will tell you that, its not like india didn't have written history or a 5,000 year old civilization you can go to for reference. LOL

and the caste system has nothing to do with skin color, so darker indians had very powerful positions, still do.

what does this have to do with the arrival of the Brits?

 

[Tommy Knocks]

what does this have to do with the arrival of the Brits?

I think the first 2 lines explain that. wtf.

 

[IVS]

That is what I stated. Read again, and all you did was write why I did in a different wording:

"There was a period of mixing which was for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, and the all of a sudden things stopped. This coincides with the time of northern india being invaded by Europeans and the caste system starting".

Indo-Aryan is another word for people form turkey, right next to the Caucasus mountains. If you look at the map these people could have easily went all throughout eastern, and northern Europe. They were not some secluded group who just happen to go south to india, and mix with them. This is one reason why the "horse theory" was developed. Here is something on Indo-Aryan, and what some call the origin of civilization. I can go deep with this on how whites began, and evolved but, all I'm going to get is arguing and twisting my words with that because that is REALLY deep. I'm probably wasting time with this because yall didn't even read a simple science article properly.
http://arevordi.blogspot.com/2005/12/indo-european-aryan-homeland-map-above.html

Indo-European 'Aryan' Homeland

The map below essentially revels the pre-historic route proto-Indo-European (Aryan) tribes took during their epic journey that began approximately six to eight thousand years ago. According to this well developed theory, Indo-European Armenians, Greeks and Persians essentially evolved from the remnants of those tribes that had stayed within the general vicinity of their origin. Many linguistics experts and archeologists are now coming to the conclusion that the Armenian Highlands is where the first Aryans emerged. It is the Armenian nation today that still remains within the epicenter of the birthplace of Aryanism. Note: Thracian Phrygians (also known as the Mushki) who are simply a component of the Armenian nation, essentially returned to the land of their origin when they re-entered the Armenian Highlands approximately 1,500-1,000 BC.

Maybe I should have worded it different since yall seem to not understand, even though the article says things in plain english. People who had the same DNA to what we call Europeans today, specifically the Y chromosome(the male chromosome), made their way into northern india, and the fact that it was mostly male coincides with the theory of the aryans invading northern eruope and imposing the caste system as we know it today, and making themselves be a part of the higher caste. And the mixing before the invasion was with southern, and northern, not just those with european dna, if at all. Did yall even read the study because these things were dealt with in the articles. There are even more articles showing the differences in the people.

Well put! You know I always wondered if these folks actually came from that region. Im always struck by the fact that the call the Iberian peninsula such because the land of Iberia is actually where the present day republic of georgia resides and the caucus mountains are there hence the idea of "caucasianess." Some scholars also say that the Aryan came from a country called Joorkistan on the Caspian Sea and from there they invaded Persia, India and Europe; Some of these scholars even state that the peoples of Europe were much darker peoples and that they were invaded by the Aryans. There's no way that original race in Europe was the Keltoi\Celts because their name implies milk meaning they were very white skinned.

 

[IVS]

I think the first 2 lines explain that. wtf.

My bad I misread your post.