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On Trump, Biden did what he had to do in letting the judicial branch do its work. He probably could have done better, sooner or quicker but he respected the democracy because the judiciary branch can never be subservient to the executive power.
So let’s be clear about this because I think you have a slight misunderstanding of the US.

The attorney general is the top prosecutor and ENFORCES federal law. The US Attorney General is appointed by the President is under the President’s purview. They are not judges who interpret the law in the judiciatu, but they enforce the law. The US Attorney General is a political appointment. The US Attorney General is not under the judiaicary branch.

Merrick Garland, with Biden's tacit approval, did not seek to prosecute Trump until congress had the made for TV hearings in 2022 because Garland made no movement on pursuing Trump.

Biden telling Garland to make the case against Trump as soon as he was in the job isn't subverting democracy, as much as Biden telling Buttigieg to figure out the airline computer problem isn't. It was Garland's job to enforce the law and he didn't.
 

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Biden should’ve assumed emergency powers and declared martial law and had Trump imprisoned and tried for treason. It was an insurrection. He didn’t have the balls to do what was necessary. The Republicans would’ve fallen in line and even right wing pundits were ready to concede Trump had to go. When he didn’t move he set the narrative it wasn’t a serious matter. He allowed them an out through the courts when in emergency the presidents powers are in Lincoln’s words “clothed in immense power”.

Cowardice, stupidity, or naïveté or all three.
Tucker, Shapiro, Ingraham and all the rest immediately started trying to distance themselves from Trump.



They were scared they thought Trump was going down.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if the Republicans fall in line or not. You go to your generals and say “he committed insurrection, are you going to defend him or uphold the constitution, make a choices, he’s going down, I want him in cuffs in front of a tribunal by tomorrow”


Abraham Lincoln didn’t go “well guys I think we have to examine the constitutionality of insurrection, can you insurrection? Is secession legal? Let’s ask the courts” :mjlol:


Trump stacked the courts and government with extremist ideologies, of course they are gonna rule in his favor or delay the process long enough so it doesn’t matter. They did what they were appointed to do.

The presidents emergency powers nullifies all of that, they called Lincoln and Roosevelt tyrants too. So the fukk what. The South is still whining to this day that Lincoln put his foot in their ass with dubious constitutionality. Who gives a fukk. America isnt a magical place. You either move like a leader or you don’t. Biden didn’t and fukked this country by not rising to the occasion.
Bingo. Biden utterly failed the moment because he refused to take seriously the level of threat the country was and is facing. Trump should have been treated like a foreign enemy and Biden should have pushed the button on his ass. But because the establishment Democrats and their constituency didn't (and still don't) understand the nature of the threat Trump poses - or perhaps they just don't care because they know they'll still be safe and prosperous under a Trump regime - they chose to go for stability and decorum over saving the country.



fukking pathetic.
 

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Tucker, Shapiro, Ingraham and all the rest immediately started trying to distance themselves from Trump.



They were scared they thought Trump was going down.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if the Republicans fall in line or not. You go to your generals and say “he committed insurrection, are you going to defend him or uphold the constitution, make a choices, he’s going down, I want him in cuffs in front of a tribunal by tomorrow”


Abraham Lincoln didn’t go “well guys I think we have to examine the constitutionality of insurrection, can you insurrection? Is secession legal? Let’s ask the courts” :mjlol:


Trump stacked the courts and government with extremist ideologies, of course they are gonna rule in his favor or delay the process long enough so it doesn’t matter. They did what they were appointed to do.

The presidents emergency powers nullifies all of that, they called Lincoln and Roosevelt tyrants too. So the fukk what. The South is still whining to this day that Lincoln put his foot in their ass with dubious constitutionality. Who gives a fukk. America isnt a magical place. You either move like a leader or you don’t. Biden didn’t and fukked this country by not rising to the occasion.
I don't disagree with you overall and I think Biden was being naive thinking reason would prevail because he didn't realize that since 2016, it was a new era in politics.

My point was that in another country, the highest court in the land would have moved to make Trump inelligible after J6 without the need for the executive branch to even intervene because that's their job and the process. If Biden has to declare martial law then that means the judiciary and the legislative branches have failed already.

I don't think Biden is without criticism at all, just that on the ladder of responsabilities, the SC and Congress are above :whoa:
 
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Someone post this as a full standalone thread because it captures what I feel about this moment and it’s exactly what needs to be said about what the Dems are doing and how the states, orgs and attorneys are taking the lead while Schumer and the Senate Dems left America out to dry.
 

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So let’s be clear about this because I think you have a slight misunderstanding of the US.

The attorney general is the top prosecutor and ENFORCES federal law. The US Attorney General is appointed by the President is under the President’s purview. They are not judges who interpret the law in the judiciatu, but they enforce the law. The US Attorney General is a political appointment. The US Attorney General is not under the judiaicary branch.

Merrick Garland, with Biden's tacit approval, did not seek to prosecute Trump until congress had the made for TV hearings in 2022 because Garland made no movement on pursuing Trump.

Biden telling Garland to make the case against Trump as soon as he was in the job isn't subverting democracy, as much as Biden telling Buttigieg to figure out the airline computer problem isn't. It was Garland's job to enforce the law and he didn't.
I see, that makes a difference indeed. Congress isn't so much at fault I thought they were if they triggered Garland to move.

I do think the SC shares far more of the blame though because Biden was slow to react I agree but then justice moved. If the SC hadn't chosen to delay and hadn't ruled Trump was immune, things would have been different IMO.
 

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I see, that makes a difference indeed. Congress isn't so much at fault I thought they were if they triggered Garland to move.

I do think the SC shares far more of the blame though because Biden was slow to react I agree but then justice moved. If the SC hadn't chosen to delay and hadn't ruled Trump was immune, things would have been different IMO.
The Supreme Court had nothing to do with Garland, and tacitly Biden's, inability to move on this. The Supreme Court decision came in 2024. Biden came into office in 2021.

The reality they were never interested in prosecuting a former president because they were scared of how it looked politically, and they didn't want to go at someone in their own political class. It was a stupid calculation that didn't pay off.

Lets say the SC ruled in Biden's favor. That decision came July 2024. The election was November 2024.

There is no defense of Garland and Biden inaction.
 

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I see, that makes a difference indeed. Congress isn't so much at fault I thought they were if they triggered Garland to move.

I do think the SC shares far more of the blame though because Biden was slow to react I agree but then justice moved. If the SC hadn't chosen to delay and hadn't ruled Trump was immune, things would have been different IMO.
Congress is at fault for not taking his impeachments seriously those giving him the legal cover he benefited from.
 

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Bingo. Biden utterly failed the moment because he refused to take seriously the level of threat the country was and is facing. Trump should have been treated like a foreign enemy and Biden should have pushed the button on his ass. But because the establishment Democrats and their constituency didn't (and still don't) understand the nature of the threat Trump poses - or perhaps they just don't care because they know they'll still be safe and prosperous under a Trump regime - they chose to go for stability and decorum over saving the country.



fukking pathetic.

also remember, Trump did not invite Biden to the White House when he was elected.
 
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