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Can't lie, there are parts of me that wants Moderate Joe to feel, before he dies, what his moderacy and going easy with those he said are a 'threat to democracy'......what he has brought onto the rest of the country via weak action / inaction to Jan 6th.
Democracy moves slowly because of all the checks and balances. You can choose to ignore them as a president but then your country becomes an authoritarian regime (which is what we're seeing currently).

Trump had 4 or 5 lawsuits against him and he was found guilty in one and would have probably been found guilty in all the others. But Trump used all of legal means allowed in a democracy to stall until the election. Means including Repub judges and the Supreme court.

On Trump, Biden did what he had to do in letting the judicial branch do its work. He probably could have done better, sooner or quicker but he respected the democracy because the judiciary branch can never be subservient to the executive power.

The Supreme Court should have been the last bastion of law but they ruled Trump had immunity as a president for J6...
 
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Democracy moves slowly because of all the checks and balances. You can choose to ignore them as a president but then your country becomes an authoritarian regime (which is what we're seeing currently).

Trump had 4 or 5 lawsuits against him and he was found guilty in one and would have probably been found guilty in all the others. But Trump used all of legal means allowed in a democracy to stall until the election. Means including Repub judges and the Supreme court.

On Trump, Biden did what he had to do in letting the judicial branch do its work. He probably could have done better, sooner or quicker but he respected the democracy because the judicial branch can never be subservient to the executive power.

The Supreme Court should have been the last bastion of law but they ruled Trump had immunity as a president for J6...
Exactly. This genie isn't going back into the box.

We also can't have the GOP flaunting the judiciary while the Democrats try to abide by it. There will be no winners there.

It will take the collective will of Americans to reset this or America is stuck in an Authoritarian loop for a long time
 

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Exactly. This genie isn't going back into the box.

We also can't have the GOP flaunting the judiciary while the Democrats try to abide by it. There will be no winners there.

It will take the collective will of Americans to reset this or America is stuck in an Authoritarian loop for a long time
We need to say fukk the USA as a whole and split up into different countries. :yeshrug:

As you said, the genie isn't going back in. This country has run its course.

Every presidential election now basically comes down to three fukking states: Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Sure, you can throw in the occasional wild card like Nevada or Arizona but it generally comes down to those three. Over 40 states vote the same every four years. Nobody's vote even matters besides a few states. It's a joke.

All the fundraising and campaigning for the balance of power to hang on the decisions of three midwest states. What they decide, affects ALL of us.
 

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Democracy moves slowly because of all the checks and balances. You can choose to ignore them as a president but then your country becomes an authoritarian regime (which is what we're seeing currently).

Trump had 4 or 5 lawsuits against him and he was found guilty in one and would have probably been found guilty in all the others. But Trump used all of legal means allowed in a democracy to stall until the election. Means including Repub judges and the Supreme court.

On Trump, Biden did what he had to do in letting the judicial branch do its work. He probably could have done better, sooner or quicker but he respected the democracy because the judiciary branch can never be subservient to the executive power.

The Supreme Court should have been the last bastion of law but they ruled Trump had immunity as a president for J6...
Biden should’ve assumed emergency powers and declared martial law and had Trump imprisoned and tried for treason. It was an insurrection. He didn’t have the balls to do what was necessary. The Republicans would’ve fallen in line and even right wing pundits were ready to concede Trump had to go. When he didn’t move he set the narrative it wasn’t a serious matter. He allowed them an out through the courts when in emergency the presidents powers are in Lincoln’s words “clothed in immense power”.

Cowardice, stupidity, or naïveté or all three.
 

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Biden should’ve assumed emergency powers and declared martial law and had Trump imprisoned and tried for treason. It was an insurrection. He didn’t have the balls to do what was necessary. The Republicans would’ve fallen in line and even right wing pundits were ready to concede Trump had to go. When he didn’t move he set the narrative it wasn’t a serious matter. He allowed them an out through the courts when in emergency the presidents powers are in Lincoln’s words “clothed in immense power”.

Cowardice, stupidity, or naïveté or all three.
But what about decorum jack!
 

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Biden should’ve assumed emergency powers and declared martial law and had Trump imprisoned and tried for treason. It was an insurrection. He didn’t have the balls to do what was necessary. The Republicans would’ve fallen in line and even right wing pundits were ready to concede Trump had to go. When he didn’t move he set the narrative it wasn’t a serious matter. He allowed them an out through the courts when in emergency the presidents powers are in Lincoln’s words “clothed in immense power”.

Cowardice, stupidity, or naïveté or all three.
You know better than me about the political climate at the time but I'm not sure Repubs would have fallen in line. They called Biden a tyrant for way less than assuming emergency powers.

IMO, after J6, it fell "right" to appease the country as tensions were extremely high but hindsight is 20/20.

If you look at Brazil or South Korea when their presidents tried to steal power in the past couple of years, their legislators and/or courts went to work and got them out because that's how it's supposed to be.

I think your Congress, Senate and Supreme Court are far more guilty than Biden in letting Trump back in.
 

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You know better than me about the political climate at the time but I'm not sure Repubs would have fallen in line. They called Biden a tyrant for way less than assuming emergency powers.

IMO, after J6, it fell "right" to appease the country as tensions were extremely high but hindsight is 20/20.

If you look at Brazil or South Korea when their presidents tried to steal power in the past couple of years, their legislators and/or courts went to work and got them out because that's how it's supposed to be.

I think your Congress, Senate and Supreme Court are far more guilty than Biden in letting Trump back in.
Tucker, Shapiro, Ingraham and all the rest immediately started trying to distance themselves from Trump.



They were scared they thought Trump was going down.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if the Republicans fall in line or not. You go to your generals and say “he committed insurrection, are you going to defend him or uphold the constitution, make a choices, he’s going down, I want him in cuffs in front of a tribunal by tomorrow”


Abraham Lincoln didn’t go “well guys I think we have to examine the constitutionality of insurrection, can you insurrection? Is secession legal? Let’s ask the courts” :mjlol:


Trump stacked the courts and government with extremist ideologies, of course they are gonna rule in his favor or delay the process long enough so it doesn’t matter. They did what they were appointed to do.

The presidents emergency powers nullifies all of that, they called Lincoln and Roosevelt tyrants too. So the fukk what. The South is still whining to this day that Lincoln put his foot in their ass with dubious constitutionality. Who gives a fukk. America isnt a magical place. You either move like a leader or you don’t. Biden didn’t and fukked this country by not rising to the occasion.
 
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