French comedian accused of anti-semitism; What do you think?

[714562]

About the constant reminding, it's kinda true (even if it's more about the Holocaust being quasi-sacred here) but it's also because WW2 has a enormous part in our history books in school and therefore does the Holocaust. We have classes in 8th or 9th grade which go to Normandy to remember. We also have ones that go to Auschwitz to remember. I think what irks a part of french people is also the fact that the Jewish Genocide is always displayed as the most evil, the most horrendous, the most unhuman event in the World's history (while many other Genocides happened but it's foolish to compare sufferings). But I think it is shown that way because of our shame of the collaboration with the Nazis and their plans to annihilate the Jews. We are also ashamed by 1941 Vichy government when Pétain (a hero of the 14-18 war) basically surrendered to the Nazis and agreed to rule the southern half of France following the enemy's rules. That's why the Holocaust is kind of sacred in our history. It's a response due to our guilt in their past suffering like when a kid injures another, feels guilty and respond by being overly caring. That's what we do with the Jewish community. For example, there is a law which forbids the Holocaust denial and one faces fines if he does so in public.

All of those sound like perfectly good historical reasons to be reminded, at least a little bit.

Having a chapter on WW2 in a textbook isn't really a "constant reminder" of the holocaust. It's a constant reminder of the war itself, of which the holocaust was a nontrivial part. Every nation that was involved in WW2 learns about the Holocaust as a corollary.

Learning about it isn't part of any great conspiracy. It definitely shouldn't "irk" the French, especially if their collaborationist government actually bore some heavy responsibility. At the very least, it should not irk a Frenchman any more than it should irk an American to learn about slavery in the south.

How Jews are discriminated against in relation to other ethnic groups is immaterial.

 

[Digga38]

I'm sure the usual cheerleaders will come in calling for the deaths of Jews for every reason under the Sun.

the irony

 

[Digga38]

First of all, I'm not saying it's right, but when did anti-Semitism become a crime?

And if it is a crime, but anti-blackness, anti-Latinoism, anti-whatever isn't, then isn't society proving his point?

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[Digga38]

im wondering the same thing

I mean you do shill for Joos. But this isn't one of those times.

 

[Digga38]

I wonder if you ignore every JIDF do they continue to exist?

 

[Digga38]

Glad Nicolas Anelka and Samir Nasri didn't apologize for being friends with Dieudonne.

But Tony Parker and Boris Diaw are in 'Murica so you know they had to do the Tel Aviv two step

i want to lol but its so sad

 

[Liu Kang]

All of those sound like perfectly good historical reasons to be reminded, at least a little bit.

Having a chapter on WW2 in a textbook isn't really a "constant reminder" of the holocaust. It's a constant reminder of the war itself, of which the holocaust was a nontrivial part. Every nation that was involved in WW2 learns about the Holocaust as a corollary.

Learning about it isn't part of any great conspiracy. It definitely shouldn't "irk" the French, especially if their collaborationist government actually bore some heavy responsibility. At the very least, it should not irk a Frenchman any more than it should irk an American to learn about slavery in the south.

How Jews are discriminated against in relation to other ethnic groups is immaterial.

Immaterial ? You were the one saying there was a rampant antisemitism in France, please elaborate then.

But let me complete my post. What really "annoys" (I used "irk" thinking about "annoy" my bad) a part of the French is that we are diverse and every ethnic groups wants to be part of history books (through their suffering, their pain) as much as the other. Considering the place taken by the Holocaust, those who are annoyed by that, wish that France's dirty business against their own ethnic group would be explained and displayed as much as France's part in the Jewish persecution during WWII. For example, they'd want more place in history books about the colonization (for the Maghrebi and Africans) or the slavery (for the West Indians and/or the Africans). The annoyance comes more from how much place it takes in media or school books compared to their own history above all when the Jewish population is relatively small in France (500K) compared to the Black population (around 3M) or the Maghrebis (around 5M). They'd want France to talk more about their past considering how much they are and how invisible they are in history books. At the end, it's a battle of sufferings really.

 

[714562]

Immaterial ? You were the one saying there was a rampant antisemitism in France, please elaborate then.

What I meant was, if antisemitism exists or has been historically pervasive, then it doesn't matter if other groups are discriminated against. That doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the Holocaust should be remembered or whether French people should be reminded of it.

But let me complete my post. What really "annoys" (I used "irk" thinking about "annoy" my bad) a part of the French is that we are diverse and every ethnic groups wants to be part of history books (through their suffering, their pain) as much as the other. Considering the place taken by the Holocaust, those who are annoyed by that, wish that France's dirty business against their own ethnic group would be explained and displayed as much as France's part in the Jewish persecution during WWII. For example, they'd want more place in history books about the colonization (for the Maghrebi and Africans) or the slavery (for the West Indians and/or the Africans). The annoyance comes more from how much place it takes in media or school books compared to their own history above all when the Jewish population is relatively small in France (500K) compared to the Black population (around 3M) or the Maghrebis (around 5M). They'd want France to talk more about their past considering how much they are and how invisible they are in history books. At the end, it's a battle of sufferings really.

And all of that is fine.

By all means, air all of the dirty laundry in the textbooks. Just don't blame Jews if your textbook is incomplete, and don't pretend like you're "constantly reminded" of the Holocaust, when in reality you're appropriately reminded of Jewish persecution and just aren't reminded of other discrimination at all.

Jews are not to blame for that. French right wingers, who were globally guilted into acknowledging the Holocaust, but not their shenanigans in Africa, are the real culprit there.

 

[Type Username Here]

Immaterial ? You were the one saying there was a rampant antisemitism in France, please elaborate then.

But let me complete my post. What really "annoys" (I used "irk" thinking about "annoy" my bad) a part of the French is that we are diverse and every ethnic groups wants to be part of history books (through their suffering, their pain) as much as the other. Considering the place taken by the Holocaust, those who are annoyed by that, wish that France's dirty business against their own ethnic group would be explained and displayed as much as France's part in the Jewish persecution during WWII. For example, they'd want more place in history books about the colonization (for the Maghrebi and Africans) or the slavery (for the West Indians and/or the Africans). The annoyance comes more from how much place it takes in media or school books compared to their own history above all when the Jewish population is relatively small in France (500K) compared to the Black population (around 3M) or the Maghrebis (around 5M). They'd want France to talk more about their past considering how much they are and how invisible they are in history books. At the end, it's a battle of sufferings really.

It's just not in France. In the US we spend more time learning about the Holocaust (mind you, only mainly focusing on the 6 million Jews and not the other 7 million) than slavery and treatment of the natives. Me, I don't mind being reminded of the holocaust or that Jews were persecuted, but why stop at them? Why single them out only? It was done by a foreign government in which US men died fighting. The Soviets too. The Soviets lost tens of millions of civilians, tens of millions of soldiers and a million or more in camps fighting the Nazis. The Chinese were being systematically destroyed by the Japanese as well.

I really don't get that shyt. You can't even question it without being the second coming of Hitler.

 

[IVS]

I love how he referes to Zionists as colonists...

This guy is brave as fukk and by all accounts, a real nikka!

Because they are colonists. They used their doctrine to justify their colonialism though. They definitely colonized land that belonged to the Hamitic Canaanites (according to the Biblical Literature) and use their "God" and divine right as their claim. Its no different than the Manifest Destiny doctrine or the Hinterland doctrine. Dont allow yourself to be distratcted by too much of this caucasian nonsense. The Arabs and Israelites (which includes Judah-ists) are Shemites (according to "biblical" lit.) Jewish Colony-ial Trust was the name of the bank established at the Second Zionist Congress held by the World Zionist (Judahist supremacy) Organization. You just accepted their version of history as truth and believe in their prophecy (and secretly their plan is to disarm all nations and reduce them to servitude).

Aside: Ever wonder where the whole idea of blond hair and blue eyes came from as an ideal? The Nazis actually were patterned on Nordicism which was made into Nazism and disseminated throughout the Deutschland (aka Germany). This should serve as evidence that Nazi Deutschland (aka germany aka Holy Roman Empire) was actually a puppet regime and that their theology was founded upon another peoples ideology. Its connection to the Holy Roman Empire should be seen in the fact that the called their movement the Third Reich. What's even more interesting is that the Austria-Hungarians were really in control of Nazi Germany. There is mischief afoot in WW1 and WW2.

Meanwhile the Latins-Romans and Pharisees put together the NT built their Zionic-Davidic-Solomonic temple atop a hill in Rome and the pope rules - the world via divine right and apostlic succession in the stead of the messiah via Saint Peter (patre were the senator families which predate the coming of christianity) so Saint Peter is spurious. For more on Saint Peter, please see Simon Magus (fire priest: Magi-us) and simony. The Vatican and peters keys are the keys of Sybil\Cybelle (female oracle) and Janus. The term vaticinor means fortell in Latin.

My point is they are all imperialist and that book is simply a program they use and doctor to do their bidding and brainwash folks into believing the prophecy.

 

[marcuz]

you can't say anything about the jews w/o being called an anti-semite; fukk 'em

 

[714562]

If Zionists are colonists, what is their mother country?

I'll wait.

 

[IVS]

If Zionists are colonists, what is their mother country?

I'll wait.

Sh!t, I wish I could tell you. But I know they damn sure aren't from the region they now call Israel. The Bible tells us they usurped the land from the Canaanites and that most scholars (white ones too) will tell you the Hamitic Canaanites were black; They were also cursed according to the Torah and thus they were allowed to be reduced to servitude or eradicated by the Shemitic Jacobites (Israelite Tribes).

 

[MVike28]

If Zionists are colonists, what is their mother country?

I'll wait.

TLOL brehs



*adds troll to ignore list*

 

[Liu Kang]

What I meant was, if antisemitism exists or has been historically pervasive, then it doesn't matter if other groups are discriminated against. That doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the Holocaust should be remembered or whether French people should be reminded of it.

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And all of that is fine.

By all means, air all of the dirty laundry in the textbooks. Just don't blame Jews if your textbook is incomplete, and don't pretend like you're "constantly reminded" of the Holocaust, when in reality you're appropriately reminded of Jewish persecution and just aren't reminded of other discrimination at all.

Jews are not to blame for that. French right wingers, who were globally guilted into acknowledging the Holocaust, but not their shenanigans in Africa, are the real culprit there.

I never said that I was "constantly reminded" nor that there was some sort of conspiracy. I stated that what I thought was the reason of the annoyance of some which is not mine because I don't care about who suffers more and who want to make it known more. But I obviously agree that Jews as a people are not to blame.

The real problem is elsewhere IMO because some people just don't want to be reminded about the Holocaust at all (even if it's appropriate) and the mandatory remembrance feds them up. On TV, on magazines, on history books, on websites, whatever the media.
Memories are also a choice, and maybe some just want to stop hearing about that knowing it already... In France, there is this 4 houred "Shoah" documentary by Claude Lanzmann which is THE doc about the Holocaust (you may know it also in the US maybe). Well I remember that I was at my moms once, the TV was on and at some moment, there was some announcement that this documentary would air again soon. My pop then said "Again ?!". That's was not an antisemitic response because I know he's not and also because that was not aimed at Jews at all. But that was simply a response that people can have when they face things again and again and again. Some kind a tiredness because it's simply too much. Above all when you feel that your own history is being downplayed so I think it's a natural response. But yeah, the anger should not be aimed at the Jews, once again I agree.

It's just not in France. In the US we spend more time learning about the Holocaust (mind you, only mainly focusing on the 6 million Jews and not the other 7 million) than slavery and treatment of the natives. Me, I don't mind being reminded of the holocaust or that Jews were persecuted, but why stop at them? Why single them out only? It was done by a foreign government in which US men died fighting. The Soviets too. The Soviets lost tens of millions of civilians, tens of millions of soldiers and a million or more in camps fighting the Nazis. The Chinese were being systematically destroyed by the Japanese as well.

I really don't get that shyt. You can't even question it without being the second coming of Hitler.

I think that's what triggers the antisemitic sentiment is a large number of people. They may feel it as some kind of unfairness considering the number of the jewish population and then think that for a population that small, the only reason they are talked that much is because they control things. And when one begins to think that way, the line is about to be crossed.