French comedian accused of anti-semitism; What do you think?

[thekingsmen]

If Zionists are colonists, what is their mother country?

I'll wait.

The U.S.

 

[Blackking]

I really thought this shyt was very funny... good episode.

 

[Blackking]

The U.S.

and yeah.... AIPAC... we are disgusting to allow that to exist.


And Jews have been acting like bytches since forever.... Anything legitimate you say is anti antisemitism... lol, which is already an ironic phrase.
Really people don't like Zionism... there is a difference.

 

[mbewane]

We discussed the Quenelle issue in OFT in late december when Anelka did it. Here : http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...to-keep-moyes-warm.159/page-1299#post-6774793. The whole page 1299 has a good debate about the gesture.

About Dieudonné, I'm mixed about him. I find him funny because of his deadspan humor and because he likes to talk about complex matters or socio-political stuff and I still defend his freedom of speech but I think he's crossing the line between anti-zionism and antisemitism.
Obviously, talking bad of Jews is more difficult than anything else because one always faces the risk to be labeled as antisemite but his shows have been mostly centered about fighting zionism lately and that's why I think he's slowly crossing the line. But he knows that and plays with that confusion between his jokes as a comedian and his opinion as a citizen.


You may not live in France so you may have slight different point of view.

Jews live well in France, there is no generalized discrimination against them, they are not hunted or more abused than other communities. Antisemitism, is at the same height of racism or islamophobia. It happens. Rampant sexism is way higher if you ask me. Obviously, sometimes some neo-nazi imbeciles decide to vandalized Jewish cemeteries but they also do the same with Muslim ones. France is a Europe and is mostly white/christian, therefore a non-negligible minority still have anti-immigration, racist and nationalist views : Marine Le Pen (FN's head, which is the far-right party here) was at 18% in the last elections. She was third behind Hollande (29%) and Sarkozy (27%). In 2002, Jean-Marie Le Pen, her father (FN's head then) with 17% beat the socialist candidate and progressed to the second round of the elections which was a first in our history because he was one vote away from being elected. Against Chirac, he still made 18% (against 82%).

About the constant reminding, it's kinda true (even if it's more about the Holocaust being quasi-sacred here) but it's also because WW2 has a enormous part in our history books in school and therefore does the Holocaust. We have classes in 8th or 9th grade which go to Normandy to remember. We also have ones that go to Auschwitz to remember. I think what irks a part of french people is also the fact that the Jewish Genocide is always displayed as the most evil, the most horrendous, the most unhuman event in the World's history (while many other Genocides happened but it's foolish to compare sufferings). But I think it is shown that way because of our shame of the collaboration with the Nazis and their plans to annihilate the Jews. We are also ashamed by 1941 Vichy government when Pétain (a hero of the 14-18 war) basically surrendered to the Nazis and agreed to rule the southern half of France following the enemy's rules. That's why the Holocaust is kind of sacred in our history. It's a response due to our guilt in their past suffering like when a kid injures another, feels guilty and respond by being overly caring. That's what we do with the Jewish community. For example, there is a law which forbids the Holocaust denial and one faces fines if he does so in public.

Sorry, missed that thread. Anyway I agree 100 % with everything you said in your various posts. It's more about the fact that every other ethnic can and does gets mocked/discriminated against, but this one particular one is sacred. I think that's what annoys most of the people, as well as indeed the constant reminders/documentaries etc. Yes, quite often you will hear "Again?" and "What about us" or stuff like that.

It's just not in France. In the US we spend more time learning about the Holocaust (mind you, only mainly focusing on the 6 million Jews and not the other 7 million) than slavery and treatment of the natives. Me, I don't mind being reminded of the holocaust or that Jews were persecuted, but why stop at them? Why single them out only? It was done by a foreign government in which US men died fighting. The Soviets too. The Soviets lost tens of millions of civilians, tens of millions of soldiers and a million or more in camps fighting the Nazis. The Chinese were being systematically destroyed by the Japanese as well.

I really don't get that shyt. You can't even question it without being the second coming of Hitler.

This is also a HUGE issue. From the mainstream you'd think only Jews were killed in the concentration camps. No one cares about the Roma, gays, political opponents, disabled, blacks (yes blacks), Slavs, etc who were also slaughtered there.

 

[88m3]

This is also a HUGE issue. From the mainstream you'd think only Jews were killed in the concentration camps. No one cares about the Roma, gays, political opponents, disabled, blacks (yes blacks), Slavs, etc who were also slaughtered there.

No one cares about those people now.

 

[bsmooth]

Yes, it's fair.

But you have to have critical thinking skills and ask yourself, "Based on the nature of this performance, Is he actually questioning 'the media'?"

So again, when you have a guy on stage, dressed in a holocaust uniform wearing a yellow star, who is it that you are "questioning?"

He was clearly questioning the government in that performance, the yellow star guy is hardly portrayed in a negative way from an audience perspective. You could interpret Dieudonne's antics in that performance as showing how these perceived differences in treatment can breed apathy or contempt towards Jews.

When you have people doing his salute in front of synagogues and taking selfies...when he himself is supporting antisemitic candidates...what is it that he's questioning?

That's the result of trying to ban him, by doing that the government gave a comedian, who by the nature of his craft is going to be provocative, political credence. All the government has done is validate his message.

 

[TLOL is back]

Didn't read 6 pages but he was convicted in court several times for anti-Semitic comments and compared holocaust memorial to pornography. And you're questioning if he's anti-semitic?

 

[TLOL is back]

@ everyone who uses logic and reason being accused of being me on another account.

 

[thekingsmen]

No one cares about those people now.

Speak for yourself.

 

[///Vega+++]

Thought police is in full effect in France
Criticizing Israel and the jewish lobby means social death over there
people are scared to speak their mind
glad I don't live there anymore

 

[Type Username Here]

After reading more about this dude, he definitely went too far on a multitude of occasions. I don't support any government taking someone to court over speech, but on a personal level saying that he wished there were more ovens and telling people to go burn in an oven is disgraceful and definitely warrants scrutiny. I only saw some of his earlier shyt and I thought and still think people overreacted to it but some of the recent stuff is appalling and worthy of criticism.