You said Black South Africans are doing worse now than under Apartheid. I asked what metrics.
Thabo, what are those metrics, ubhuti?
For the first time South Africa ANC party loses election
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You said Black South Africans are doing worse now than under Apartheid. I asked what metrics.
Thabo, what are those metrics, ubhuti?
You can read the articles yourself, I linked them.
What's the post number in this thread where you linked articles substantiating your claim?
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EFF only got started once Julius Malema was kicked out of the ANC (the older guys felt threatened by him)... So he took on a more black radical stance to basically appeal to that demographic that was sick and tired of the older generation (Nelson Mandela/ANC party). Again this was purely political opportunism and strategy.I thought the EFF was that party.
EFF is not and has never been a black revolutionary party.
It's actually crazy growing up in a country or a place that you can see and feel get regressively worse every 10 years.
Growinh up in SA in the 90s there was this hopefulness that black people had, there was a spirit of helping one another etc these days, even though it's unspoken, the spirit of the people have been broken.
Another factor with EFF decline that is not talked about is that stupid 10 year celebration, Malema fired loyal people who built the party and parachuted former ANC lackeys in positions who never put the groundwork, that turned a lot of people off. And Malema wants to flood South Africa with immigrants which is not palatable.
Let The Coli tell it, that things aren't getting worse, but I've learned to accept that majority of people here are clueless on SADC politics.
No...Not Re-colonization.
But a continuation of the delaying of Land and the Economy's Wealth redistribution
The ANC is being forced by Western Powers to go with the DA....
Zuma seems to be a tribalist.....
Malema is the Best Choice in my opinion to form a coalition with
To understand why this happen one should start by asking what message is being sent by local Mass Media and what type of History is being taught in schools
Corruption is a minor problem at this stage....because if the proceeds is left within the local economy then it can act as a stimulus.
what is major is the local narratives on the street
The Voters did not kick the ANC out....Their votes were split.
This Fracturing or factioning of the ANC benefits only one group....The DA
Is it about All or Most South Africans or Only the Zulus?
Tribalism is the progenitor of Casteism Racism Classism and Shadeism/featurism
The Guptas or wealthy Indians are being blamed for what exactly?
My sense is that they meaning the Guptas and Glencore are working together to secure and insure their wealth and privilege remain in tact.
Sell outs are never good....so can voting for anybody not in the room - you become a spoiler splitting the voting.
That depends on whether or not the proceeds from the sell out remain in country or is repatriated outside of the country
It is the responsibility of the electorate/voters/citizenry to insure the character of the leaders....by crafting rules laws regulations and institutions to assure this.
True.
It wont be a wrap....the fight will just be so much more difficult.
Worst their first order of business will be to insure the redistribution of Land and the Economy never Happens.
True...
Zuma got his revenge but at what cost...
Politics is always about crooks fighting crooks....and by crooks I mean competeing self interest first - Country/Nation some where after or as a consequence of.
Yes it is sensational.
Yes now they lost most hope of forcing a timely Redistribution of the Nations Wealth into the hands of its rightful recipients.
The Real losers is Primarily Black South Africans and secondarily All South Africans
There is enough blame to go around...The group who cooperated with the white government during Aparheid
This is what the DA want Blacks South Africa Mired down in Tribalism - Divided and Ruled over
Unity is what is needed....or if we be divided then lets us function as One toward our mutual goals or interests - Functional Unity
Nearly every country has corruption...none more so than the US
The ANC corruption is growing pains of a relatively young Party and Administration/Government.
I feel your pain..
Let us not blame Zimbabwe or engender Xenophobia.
why do i get the feeling you would not vote for ANC regardless of what they did right or wrong...?
True.
But why did it happen?
The Brother is Right On All points....but something about him seems suspect - but his rhetoric is the Best
Yes we fear white people...because if given the opportunity we know the cruelty they are capable of...
Maybe you have forgotten the fight to get from under their oppression.
The party that whites lead got 20% of the votes whiles they themselves is only 7% of the population with coloreds and asians they make up 19%....
Thats scary Blacks (ANC EFF MK) are not making any significant in roads in those communities
Yes lets hope ANC wakes up....and Coalesce with those who share the same goals and interest and not out of spite or political expediencies.
Forget land reform it's over black South Africans have lost. Helen Zille a white racist plans to naturalize 15 million illegals, how will natives get their land then?
Malema is a Pedi tribalist, all the EFF top brass are from Limpopo, he's a joke who wants to open borders.
Corruption is a minor problem when ANC hires ghost workers to steal money instead of hiring the unemployed youth? I doubt your knowledge of South Africa, South Africa is top 10 in illicit outflows of money, it is a capital exporter despite the poverty. Even the Nats governed better.
This will be done by naturalizing illegal immigrants.
ANC is beyond corruption it is plain destruction at this point.
Yes I did....but i did lay out a condition - that the proceeds be spent in the local economy .This man really said, "well actually, corruption is a good thing."
The socalled first world countries are so corrupt that they legalize and regulated corruption...
South Africa is young when compared to countries like the USA which is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
The Problem is not fellow Africans legal or illegal....but Rich Racist (Mostly White) Elites.
Native will get their Land
Open borders is good and one of the reasons I like Malema...
How can he be a tribalist and at the same time welcome foreigners and illegals and opening up the borders....explain?
Yes...The Real Problem is solving and dealing with the Redistribution of both Land and Economy - all else pales in comparison.
As you should....I am by no means on South Africa.
I am How ever very knowledgeable on developing economies and newly formed Governments/Nations and the challenges such administrations face because of the learning curve.
Sad but pales when compared to giving or getting back the Land and Economy in the Rightful Black Hands.
Wow!! you must be so kind of Aparthied loving South African
Are you perchance (Boer) Afrikaans?
Yes.
I cant disagree more....
is there Corruption in the ANC....yes
Destructive...No
Bullshyt
these dummies really squandered a golden fukking opportunity
