Five Bleak Facts on Black Opportunity

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This really needs to be emphasized more in topics like this. The "nuclear family" was never really a reality amongst African Americans. Hell, you could make the argument it wasn't the reality for a majority of white people until the post-war era

Exactly, one can make the argument that in the Western Hemisphere Blacks have never had a true blueprint on what a family is or should be, majority of the time people were acting on nature or basing on what they saw whites do/bible says.
 

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You don't rise to power or gain resources by focusing on a nuclear family.

White people couldn't have conquered this world with daddy sitting home helping momma cook. That comes after the work has been put in.

The men are in the fields waging war, taking heads, and fukking conquered women. Coming home once or twice a year to check on the estate.

We are not going to work or study ourselves to prominence. All the resources are owned. And resources are where the power and wealth are.

Black people won't be shyt until us men decide to go get resources. Which will mean fighting cacs for it. Until then, yeah we can reach team leader or supervisor status, but we'll never be CEO/boss.
 
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You don't rise to power or gain resources by focusing on a nuclear family.

White people couldn't have conquered this world with daddy sitting home helping momma cook. That comes after the work has been put in.

The men are in the fields waging war, taking heads, and fukking conquered women. Coming home once or twice a year to check on the estate.

We are not going to work or study ourselves to prominence. All the resources are owned. And resources are where the power and wealth are.

Black people won't be shyt until us men decide to go get resources. Which will mean fighting cacs for it. Until then, yeah we can reach team leader or supervisor status, but we'll never be CEO/boss.

You ain't fighting nobody, economically or physically, without a code of conduct :francis:
 

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You are putting words in my mouth that i didnt say. You cannot run before you can crawl. What are public policies going to do for fractured people? You jave 3 to 4 generations of people have normalized behaviour that is counterproductive for well adjustef people. You underestimate the impact of family dysfunction at the the scale that it is among blacks is something that needs to be addressed under the rug.

You cant even get blacks to talk about mental illness and you think you'll get public policies pushed. Get real!

Your whole argument is based on the assumption that black people are fractured, as opposed to simply being poor and uneducated. You underestimate the impact of poverty and unemployment at the scale that it is among black people.

The reluctance to deal with mental illness has a lot to do with our lack of education and healthcare.

But let's suppose that you're right...that black families exhibit dysfunction on a large scale. How do you address large scale problems? Through institutions, right? Is that not the whole purpose of having public institutions?

If you believe that nagging black men about building strong families is gonna change something, then be my guest. I think you're wasting your time.
 

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Parents are upper-middle. Myself I turned to be middle but ascending to upper middle. I just don't have investments in a house or other signs of wealth like that but have a high salary.

Having a strong family instilled in my family and a focus on education has helped myself and my siblings and their success.
 

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This really needs to be emphasized more in topics like this. The "nuclear family" was never really a reality amongst African Americans. Hell, you could make the argument it wasn't the reality for a majority of white people until the post-war era

Exactly, one can make the argument that in the Western Hemisphere Blacks have never had a true blueprint on what a family is or should be, majority of the time people were acting on nature or basing on what they saw whites do/bible says.


That's not true. During slavery blacks jumped the broom and did their best to maintain nuclear families. For nearly 100 years after slavery blacks actively formed nuclear families. Most of that time the marriage rate for blacks was higher than that for whites. This despite the fact that there were fewer black men to marry.

For several decades whites were more likely to be single than blacks. Even though blacks were far more likely to be widowed, the percentage of married blacks was nearly the same as whites, occasionally slightly higher.

See Table I for census data on black and white marriage percentages 1890-1920
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc121e.pdf

It was not until 1950 that there was a noticable increase in female headed households. The author in the above link thinks that it was due to urbanization. He may be right, there would be a wider selection of potential new partners in the city compared to the country.

The black family declined rapidly starting in the 1960s with the sexual revolution, civil rights/women able to get decent paying jobs, feminism, no fault divorce in the 1970s, welfare. In the early 70s black activists and clergy demanded that the government enact tough drug laws which of course further damaged the black family and created a greater man shortage.

Timeline: Black America’s surprising 40-year support for the Drug War
 
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That's not true. During slavery blacks jumped the broom and did their best to maintain nuclear families. For nearly 100 years after slavery blacks actively formed nuclear families. Most of that time the marriage rate for blacks was higher than that for whites. This despite the fact that there were fewer black men to marry.

For several decades whites were more likely to be single than blacks. Even though blacks were far more likely to be widowed, the percentage of married blacks was nearly the same as whites, occasionally slightly higher.

See Table I for census data on black and white marriage percentages 1890-1920
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc121e.pdf

It was not until 1950 that there was a noticable increase in female headed households. The author in the above link thinks that it was due to urbanization. He may be right, there would be a wider selection of potential new partners in the city compared to the country.

The black family declined rapidly starting in the 1960s with the sexual revolution, civil rights/women able to get decent paying jobs, feminism, no fault divorce in the 1970s, welfare. In the early 70s black activists and clergy demanded that the government enact tough drug laws which of course further damaged the black family and created a greater man shortage.

Timeline: Black America’s surprising 40-year support for the Drug War

Thank you for posting some HARD facts. It was really bothering me to see ppl provide no evidence, at all, to the claim that slavery is the root cause of the black family unit being in such a abysmal state, today.
 
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The concept of the nuclear family in America didn't even exist til the 40s spurred by postwar Suburbia :deadmanny:

Marriage is not synonymous fyi.
Are you seriously trying to argue that because the term "Nuclear family" wasn't coined until the 40s that the concept it defined didn't exist in reality yet? Please, you can't be that dense. Also, this is not a theoretical matter, wheywhey has provided empirical data on the subject.
 

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Are you seriously trying to argue that because the term "Nuclear family" wasn't coined until the 40s that the concept it defined didn't exist in reality yet?

No idiot, I'm saying most family structures were anything like a nuclear family pre WW2.
 
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