First Take Debate: Lebron or Steph; Who has been the MVP over the last 10 seasons

[lib123]

I swear y'all cats don't even think before you post. Diarrhea filling up your guts and coming out your mouth, and you still don't even realize your shyt stanks.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You came up with a nonsense hypothetical. Do you not see how it has no relevance in this discussion?

 

[ALonelyDad]

Steph had the best team and has been one of the biggest if not the biggest reason how the game is played today. If you were to do 2013-2023, its clearly him.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I mean at least I'm giving you legit basketball highlights and FMVP voting.

Tell us you're a square without telling us you're a square.

 

[MyApps]

If they swapped teams with the same surrounding pieces, what would the outcome have been? That's your answer.

That would be steph.

Why? Because he would've started with the Heatles team. And probably would've never left. Also, Bron on those Warriors teams would not have won in 2015 and would not have been in the finals in 2016 which means KD ain't joining Bron.

Bron would've left golden state by year 4.

 

[GreatestLaker]

This is such an elementary way of looking at it.

Steph cultivated the culture/system that led to a dynasty and the players that played alongside him became the best versions of themselves. Does Draymond become the player he does if he plays alongside Bron for his entire career, or would he have likely been traded long ago for a shooter? Does Wiggins turn into the same player if he played alongside Bron? How many players have played alongside Steph and become better as a result? How many players have benefitted from Steph being the most selfless superstar of the modern era? How many players have benefitted from having more easy scoring opportunities as a result from his gravity and off-ball movement?

Nobody should hold it against Bron that he wanted to maximize his chances of winning by hopping from team to team, but there's a reason why he hasn't been able to create the same environment that Steph has.

All you are telling me is that Curry had a better front office and coaching staff. You keep bringing up the Warriors being 3-1 vs the Cavs in the finals like it's suppose to mean something in the Bron vs Curry debate. Last time I checked this isn't a one on one sport.

 

[Who Not How]

Bron, Steph #2

 

[jaydawg08]

Tell us you're a square without telling us you're a square.

Highlights and examples makes you a square now

You reeling Gil... What the hell is even Steph's defining moment? 2022 I'll give you.. besides that year

 

[DrexlersFade]

The one with more rings and MVPs

So this only matters in 10 year gaps huh Bron stans

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Prime curry doesnt lose to the mavs with wade and bosh

 

[Osmosis]

Someone might argue Bron did the same thing when he skipped town and teamed up with DWade.

Stones, glass houses and all that.

He very well might have but I'm not sure why we just gloss over that detail. How is that more worthy of admiration than Bron signing with teams via free agency? They're different sides of the same stacking-the-deck coin.

This is such an elementary way of looking at it.

Steph cultivated the culture/system that led to a dynasty and the players that played alongside him became the best versions of themselves. Does Draymond become the player he does if he plays alongside Bron for his entire career, or would he have likely been traded long ago for a shooter? Does Wiggins turn into the same player if he played alongside Bron? How many players have played alongside Steph and become better as a result? How many players have benefitted from Steph being the most selfless superstar of the modern era? How many players have benefitted from having more easy scoring opportunities as a result from his gravity and off-ball movement?

Nobody should hold it against Bron that he wanted to maximize his chances of winning by hopping from team to team, but there's a reason why he hasn't been able to create the same environment that Steph has.

I mean we've seen Lebron win a shyt load of games with nothing more than 3 and D role guys.. Prime Lebron was a walking 50 win season with just an average or slightly above average supporting cast. Draymond and Steph uniquely optimize each other, they both cover for each other's deficiencies in a way that hasn't been replicated in NBA history. Lebron and Draymond have too many overlapping skills to work. But, hypothetically speaking, what if you replace Curry and Draymond with Lebron and say Kyle Lowry (a better fit with Lebron in the same vein as Steph/Dray). You don't think Lebron/Lowry/Klay/Iggy, and later Lebron/KD/Lowry/Klay/Iggy, and finally Lebron/Lowry/Klay/Wiggins/Poole would be perennial contenders? Maybe not the same ceiling as Steph's Warriors but certainly a championship core.

 

[Osmosis]

Prime curry doesnt lose to the mavs with wade and bosh

Prime Lebron doesn't blow a 3-1 lead

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

All you are telling me is that Curry had a better front office and coaching staff.

Nah, what I'm telling you is, 99.99999% of players that play alongside Steph become the best version of themselves. The same doesn't happen with Bron, which again, is no slight against him, because Steph is essentially one of a kind in that sense.

You still haven't answered my question -

What happens to Dray if he plays next to Bron?

It's funny how Dray, Klay and Kerr all get meme'd to death on this board, but then in the next breath, cats wanna come with this "Steph had more talent" bullshyt.

You keep bringing up the Warriors being 3-1 vs the Cavs in the finals like it's suppose to mean something in the Bron vs Curry debate. Last time I checked this isn't a one on one sport.

Last time I checked Steph's record against Bron in this context holds a lot of weight. And I keep bringing it up because it's the same type of reasoning that rockhead is spamming this thread with. It's merely to illustrate how nonsensical his argument is.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Prime Lebron doesn't blow a 3-1 lead

Lebron on that warriors team doesnt even make the finals

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Highlights and examples makes you a square now

You reeling Gil... What the hell is even Steph's defining moment? 2022 I'll give you.. besides that year

I can't take anyone seriously that believes "legit highlights" is some sort of damning argument, least of all, FMVP votes which has been debunked on here years ago. You're not even worth my time of lacing them up. I'll just point and make jokes out of your posts.

You keep on dribbling with one hand looking at the ground thinking you're doing shyt.