FD finally dropped the Drake vs Dot video :wow:

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Listened a little more and yea, this isn't good. He glosses over IYRTITL in favor of TPAB but in real time that Drake album was not only really fukking good it was hugely successful. I think the battle has exposed two narratives people are pushing which aren't reality. The first is that Drake was always bad/made terrible music. The second is that Kendrick was always the ordained golden child. In reality Drake made some good music initially and those early Drake/Kendrick debates weren't just purists vs commercial people. A large portion of hip hop media was in Drake's corner circa 2013-2016, back when hip hop media actually mattered. Peter Rosenberg was arguably the only Kendrick dikk rider in NY media at the time. Elliot Wilson and B-dot were firmly on Drake's side and most of the DJs favored him. There was debate and differing opinion over TPAB. Meanwhile NWTS and IYRTITY were the closest people got to pure rap albums from Drake.

Go listen to Drake's subs around that time and it's clear he thought Kendrick was about to be outta here. I don't think anybody saw DAMN coming and that's what killed the narratives Kendrick had been dealing with from the media But if you're peddling the idea that Kendrick was always the golden goose then you ignore all this shyt. Likewise if you pretend Drake was always wack you ignore the nice run he had with those two albums. Which is where Pusha and Budden come in, to me. A year after DAMN we got the Pusha/Drake beef and the line about his music being angry and full of lies lately. That's around the time when the mafioso tough guy shyt started and the decline began. I don't mean commercially (yet) since Scorpion was a smash. But that wasn't a good album, just like Views wasn't a good album. And the more people talked about that, the angrier and more vindictive Drake got. The hubris and anger of that period is what led to that Adidon L. Not saying Drake could have avoided losing to Pusha, but he handled it the worst he could have possibly handled it because of his arrogance at the time. He was declining, creatively.

Do I think Kendrick is hip hop whereas Drake is a fraud? Hell Yea. But I'm not watching a 3 hour vid if someone can't set up a nice rise/fall arc while being fair to create some interest.
I mean, he points out that Drake made good music and gave a *lot* of credit to NWTS and IYRTITL...his main point was about the hip-hop nerds that Drake once considered himself part of, not the opportunistic gatekeepers. He points out how IYRITITL was a major shift in Drake's attitude and him putting out a much more self-assured and confident image of himself
 

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the shyt is transparent projection of these weird narratives they have about trying to cast kendrick as some messiah figure. The triple-standards and backstabbing of rhetoric is nakedly opportunistic. It’s just odd.

This “culture” convo is bunch of BLM rejects trying to gatekeep blackness to the expense of anyone who doesn’t comply with the hotep Neo-soul “real hip hop” circles. The same people talking about rejecting commercialism want their own tastes to be revered and elevated as financial successes. It’s all over the place.

…not to mention…Drake IS of the culture and it explains why they have to to try so hard to exclude him. It’s just very odd.

Again…ask yourself why J Cole and Ebro are accepted at this moment and Drake isn’t.
Or...it could be because Aubrey is just half a cracka who grew up in hollywood with his white executive producer mother, making his living on a tv show and going to private schools...and then when he decided to be a rapper starting hanging around black people who had to teach him how to say nikka without the er.

When it was time to make a dollar, Aubrey was like "nikkas, nikkas, nikkas, bytches, bytches, nikkas, bytches, nikkas." When it was time to start a family he seeded up your typical white hard faced french woman who pushed out a kid that looks like something Hitler was trying to build in a lab.

Only a cracka or a musty indian would think BLM had anything to do with "culture".

Like...J Cole got a white parent but nobody has ever questioned if he was part of hip hop culture.

Go take your smoke break Sanjay and trade seats with the one of you who does a better job of pretending to be black:camby:
 

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Or...it could be because Aubrey is just half a cracka who grew up in hollywood with his white executive producer mother,
This isn’t even true. Dude grew up in the hood until he got on that TV show even then was living in a damn multi family house.

The guy wasn’t balling.
making his living on a tv show and going to private schools...and then when he decided to be a rapper starting hanging around black people who had to teach him how to say nikka without the er.
The guy grew up around black people. This shyt is just ignorance of his actual back story. Yall can look all this shyt up.
When it was time to make a dollar, Aubrey was like "nikkas, nikkas, nikkas, bytches, bytches, nikkas, bytches, nikkas." When it was time to start a family he seeded up your typical white hard faced french woman who pushed out a kid that looks like something Hitler was trying to build in a lab.

I’ve been listening to drake since 2007. Yall dont know his history or enough to know how wrong your interpretation of his backstory is.

Only a cracka or a musty indian would think BLM had anything to do with "culture".
I’m not fukking indian. I’m black.
Like...J Cole got a white parent but nobody has ever questioned if he was part of hip hop culture.
Yeah because he dresses humbly and raps over jazzy beats and has dreads

Yall are cheap dates when it comes to selling images, apparently

Go take your smoke break Sanjay and trade seats with the one of you who does a better job of pretending to be black:camby:

I’m black.
 

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Listen at 1.75x speed

FD is a terrible orator though. Dude wastes so much time getting to the point.
I listen to all podcasts on 2x...it was just kinda meh all around. I didnt walk away with any new interesting insights...I guess it was cool for a young audience that dont know shyt maybe :yeshrug:

The first 1.5 hours was definitely overkill tho
 
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