Father Son Duo Kills Man over Trash Dispute - GRAPHIC

[42 Monks]

Both parties would get charged if dude lived, but self defense goes out the window when you engage in confrontation. At least where Im from, say I get in a street fight with someone who mutually agreed to do so, with witnesses present, we both catch a disorderly. If I swing on someone who doesnt wanna fight, assault. If I engage in confrontation, go to my car and grab a gun, then come back and fire....murder. I know Texas is real liberal with gun laws, but the fact that both parties couldve walked away will definitely be a factor. Yall forget, what youre saying is exactly the type of shyt George Zimmermans defense came with to get him off They both met up in conflict when both couldve walked away. Thats never self defense, they were both looking for a fight AND its on camera. Only difference is that one party was outgunned. And even if folks do somehow get off, as mentioned earlier, the dad might get off, the son wont because dude was no longer a threat once he caught two to the chest. The shotgun blast was excessive.

You're arguing murder with the basis of intent self defense is a very different argument that factors in more than that. Castle Doctrine has nothing to do with this lol. I don't see a street fight here, its a heated dispute where both parties felt sufficiently threatened enough to bring weapons. Both parties came ready for smoke. That's not intent, that's identifying a potential danger and preparing against it - which is entirely within everyone's right to do.

You'd have a point IF they returned for this dispute and immediately shot the man.... but that's not what happened at all is it? They asked the aggressor in the situation to walk away. They fired the warning shot. They stated they'd be willing to use lethal force. They were the ones that got swung on first. You can debate the quality or authencity of those actions, but the attempts to deescalate clearly favored the shooters here

shotgun while he was on the ground was a bit much though cac jr wanted a body. but that's a time frame of 3 seconds at the most. hard to pin a guy for that small of a reaction window

unless they're black of course

 

[FaTaL]

What about the fact that the son shot him with the shotgun when he was actually "attacking" the father.

The father wasn’t threatened, he shot into the air

 

[606onit]

TTrayvons death was justified cuz its literally damn near the same type of scenario.

slimy of u to say this

1) You cannot be a tresspasser
2) You cannot be commiting a criminal act
3) You cannot have provoked the interaction

I would say #2 and certainly #3 are something that Zimmerman did when he 1) disobeyed orders to not pursue and 2) ran up on the young child and provoked him.

 

[Another Man]

My G, Im not talking about no doctrine. If they weren't on DEAD AARON's property (and this is neither of theirs, then they are equally-yoked.) He chose to make terroristic threats on public land, and that's where he would eventually bleed out.



If I'm the fat white boy:
"This is a man who threatened to disarm my father and shoot him in the head with his own gun. This man is obviously physically out-tooling me or my dad. I used the equalizer in order to make sure that in the case that my dad missed his target, that we would not both be in danger."



Fax

Very Good point


What part of this do the Dead Aaron defenders NOT UNDERSTAND?

Okay, so they happened to just be posted in the alley with a pistol and a shotgun? What part of why the fukk were they armed in the first place in a place that wasnt private property dont YOU understand? So they had to be strapped to drop off a mattress?!? The pistol, understandable, but a fukking shotgun? Okay yall, youre right, next time yall meet someone for a confrontation, pull guns, shoot and claim self defense. Im sure youll get off

EDIT: Youre also forgetting that this whole shyt stemmed from them getting the mattress out of a public dumpster to dump into HIS yard. They provoked the entire situation. You coli attorneys are hilarious Millions of cats with your type of thinking doing hard time right now cuz they thought what they did was self defense, but ill let yall tell it.

 

[Mike Nasty]

2) You cannot be commiting a criminal act

Illegally dumping a mattress?

 

[Another Man]

You're arguing murder with the basis of intent self defense is a very different argument that factors in more than that. Castle Doctrine has nothing to do with this lol. I don't see a street fight here, its a heated dispute where both parties felt sufficiently threatened enough to bring weapons. Both parties came ready for smoke. That's not intent, that's identifying a potential danger and preparing against it - which is entirely within everyone's right to do.

You'd have a point IF they returned for this dispute and immediately shot the man.... but that's not what happened at all is it? They asked the aggressor in the situation to walk away. They fired the warning shot. They stated they'd be willing to use lethal force. They were the ones that got swung on first. You can debate the quality or authencity of those actions, but the attempts to deescalate clearly favored the shooters here

shotgun while he was on the ground was a bit much though cac jr wanted a body. but that's a time frame of 3 seconds at the most. hard to pin a guy for that small of a reaction window

unless they're black of course

Ok, ill concede that murder would be an excessive charge that they could prolly slide on. Getting off on self defense though? Nah, cuz as you said, both parties are responsible for what went down and fully knew the potential outcome when both couldve walked away and contacted authorities. Itd be different if say, they were in the alley minding their own business and dude ran up on em immediately swinging a bat and got shot, but nah, they provoked, he reacted, they had a heated exchange,that ended in gunfire. Id love to have the lawyer who would get me off on self defense if I killed someone in a mutual confrontation, especially in shyt I started. Its self defense in situations where walking away is either not an option or there are laws in which you arent obligated to do so"stand your ground", and even in the latter, they had provoked the situation and their words/body language only served to escalate the shyt. Hard to prove self defense when you obviously wanted smoke. All Im saying.

 

[42 Monks]

Okay, so they happened to just be posted in the alley with a pistol and a shotgun? What part of why the fukk were they armed in the first place in a place that wasnt private property dont YOU understand? So they had to be strapped to drop off a mattress?!? The pistol, understandable, but a fukking shotgun? Okay yall, youre right, next time yall meet someone for a confrontation, pull guns, shoot and claim self defense. Im sure youll get off

EDIT: Youre also forgetting that this whole shyt stemmed from them getting the mattress out of a public dumpster to dump into HIS yard. They provoked the entire situation. You coli attorneys are hilarious Millions of cats with your type of thinking doing hard time right now cuz they thought what they did was self defense, but ill let yall tell it.

an altercation and an act of violence aren't the same thing never said it was straight up "not going to jail" self defense either breh, just substantially difficult to use your definition of intent because they brought weapons that happened to be bigger

i guess you could say..... its not a black and white situation

 

[Another Man]

Illegally dumping a mattress?

Then they couldve called the authorities rather than take it upon themselves to return while being armed. Its not like he dumped it in their yard, he put it in a dumpster. Wasnt their place to get involved like that

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

I have no idea WTF @Another Man is talking about.

The fact that they aren't on private land means NOTHING. They're in an alley, so what!?
Now if their sole intention was murdering him they would have immediately ran up and shot him. That was clearly not their intent. No way this is murder.

The fact that Dead Aaron proclaimed that HE WOULD KILL THEM over and over, should pretty much seal this case. The video is the icing.

U Def have no clue about law

 

[606onit]

Okay, so they happened to just be posted in the alley with a pistol and a shotgun? What part of why the fukk were they armed in the first place in a place that wasnt private property dont YOU understand? So they had to be strapped to drop off a mattress?!? The pistol, understandable, but a fukking shotgun? Okay yall, youre right, next time yall meet someone for a confrontation, pull guns, shoot and claim self defense. Im sure youll get off

EDIT: Youre also forgetting that this whole shyt stemmed from them getting the mattress out of a public dumpster to dump into HIS yard. They provoked the entire situation. You coli attorneys are hilarious Millions of cats with your type of thinking doing hard time right now cuz they thought what they did was self defense, but ill let yall tell it.

Okay, I can see that you're in your feelings so this is all about estrogen to you. Imma let u cook, chief. You keep talking about some motherfukking garbage/a mattress. Dont fukking matter what the fukk it was about.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

Apparently the guy that got killed had intermittent explosive disorder
Fiancee of Abilene homicide victim reveals that he was shot over a twin mattress

"over a twin mattress"

 

[606onit]

Illegally dumping a mattress?

It has to be ABOVE A CLASS C OFFENSE RELATING TO TRAFFIC. U could be speeding and STAND YOUR GROUND and it would not be considered.

 

[Another Man]

Okay, I can see that you're in your feelings so this is all about estrogen to you. Imma let u cook, chief. You keep talking about some motherfukking garbage/a mattress. Dont fukking matter what the fukk it was about.

No feelings here. Guess you passed the bar exam so more power to you

 

[Another Man]

U Def have no clue about law

Breh
Everything from the vid to the sole witness account shows it was not self defense at all. Id pay to see these cats slide on self defense. Breh is smoking

 

[606onit]

No feelings here. Guess you passed the bar exam so more power to you

mah nicca, I've got a clean record, and Im just glad I can pontificate on the clock and wasnt no Melanoids involved.

I aint mean to spit that nicca-litigation at cha.