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nikkahs B. Wildin said:
Losing your guns isn't whatever it's rhetoric like this why they don't want black to have guns and why gun owners and rights in general are threatened.

Secondly what is the intent of a warning shot? How do you properly execute a warning shot. Explain to me a safe and rational time to use a warning shot? Bullets have to go somewhere so tell me, do you shoot straight up in the air? Point the gun up and away from you? Do you shoot the ground?

A gun is not a de-escalation tool. It's a last line of defense .You pull it out to cease an imminent threat by destroying a target. :yeshrug: you can argue against legislation but this is how it's written .
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The intent of a warning shot is to give a warning :dead: come on breh.... And rhetoric about blacks losing guns is a huge tangent unless there's some greater point that I missed. There may not always be a next time. Fight the battle for your permit instead of fighting the battle to stay alive on life support.

Back to warning shots... Its not something you advise nor is it legal. Should you do it, there's steps you take. Communicate, let people know you're armed, create space, reiterate you're armed if able, then fire a shot, then do the business you gotta do - however, this is purely from a military/LE perspective and if that's something you were introduced to in some form then its always gonna make sense to follow those steps. If you want to argue the legality of a warning shot, cool. Won't debate that and never have. The practicality of it in a situation like this? Its legitimate attempt.

Warning shots are explicitly advised against when someone is charging you, etc and the heat is on. There's no place for them *then*. This clearly isn't that kind of case.

And yes, guns are absolutely a deescalation tool. Lethal force and a willingness to use it will make people fall back 9 times out of 10. A last line of defense is.... I don't agree with that. I find it hard to believe that most people would either. When you hold the trump card in a violent situation, you don't wait to use it like Goku. If its about to get crazy and you got a gun on you, all your plans revolve around that gun.
nikkahs B. Wildin said:
Victorious my ass they are going to jail. That ain't a victory. I wouldn't advocate for any coli member to think like that. While your in jail someone may come shoot up your cribs killin your baby mom's or whoever else is up in there.
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Rather be in jail than be beaten to death with a bat but that's just me :manny:

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42 Monks said:
The intent of a warning shot is to give a warning :dead: come on breh....


Back to warning shots... Its not something you advise nor is it legal. Should you do it, there's steps you take. Communicate, let people know you're armed, create space, reiterate you're armed if able, then fire a shot, then do the business you gotta do -
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You didn't answer the most critical question of all
Where do you fire the warning shot? Do you shoot straight up in the air? Point the gun up and away from you? Do you shoot the ground?

Remember bullets have to stop somewhere. Also keeping in mind 2 of the 4 rules for basic firearm safety, which are taught everywhere regardless of legislation, political affiliation etc. Never point a firearm at anything you're not willing to shoot and another rule be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

If you have the time to communicate with someone then you don't need to shoot a warning shot. You can say "I am armed" or "I will shoot" or "drop the radio" "drop the knife" "let me leave" "get out of here" or whatever .

Even the notion of firing a warning shot is a violation of most unwritten rules. Shoot once and shoot accurate. If your going to fire your weapon you don't waste a single bullet which could mean the end of your life. People uses revolvers, or 6,7 capacity magazines. Especially if you have a rifle or shotgun. How many shootings have you heard of within the last year where they say "the gun jammed" that didn't happen after a single shot but you don't want to gamble, shooting a single shot then needing to save your life only for your gun to jam.

The last thing you want to do is use your gun to defend yourself or your property only to have it taken away by the same police you called to report a robbery or break in, etc. Then what are you going to do.
 
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nikkahs B. Wildin said:
You didn't answer the most critical question of all
Where do you fire the warning shot? Do you shoot straight up in the air? Point the gun up and away from you? Do you shoot the ground?

Remember bullets have to stop somewhere. Also keeping in mind 2 of the 4 rules for basic firearm safety, which are taught everywhere regardless of legislation, political affiliation etc. Never point a firearm at anything you're not willing to shoot and another rule be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

If you have the time to communicate with someone then you don't need to shoot a warning shot. You can say "I am armed" or "I will shoot" or "drop the radio" "drop the knife" "let me leave" "get out of here" or whatever .

Even the notion of firing a warning shot is a violation of most unwritten rules. Shoot once and shoot accurate. If your going to fire your weapon you don't waste a single bullet which could mean the end of your life. People uses revolvers, or 6,7 capacity magazines. Especially if you have a rifle or shotgun. How many shootings have you heard of within the last year where they say "the gun jammed" that didn't happen after a single shot but you don't want to gamble, shooting a single shot then needing to save your life only for your gun to jam.

The last thing you want to do is use your gun to defend yourself or your property only to have it taken away by the same police you called to report a robbery or break in, etc. Then what are you going to do.
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bolded - you're making shyt complicated and being obtuse here.... its a warning shot. not landing a helicopter. fire it in the dirt or in the air and preferably not into the nearest apartment complex or baby stroller

As for the rest - some people can see a gun and keep their energy. the sound of gunfire will shake all but the dumbest/bravest after that. it serves a purpose and it works. tried and tested. when people get to a certain point of anxiety, anger, fear, etc they can't be expected respond to commands or communication in general normally. when words don't work, displays of overwhelming force/violence get the point across 9 times out of 10. conversations work for people trying to have a conversation.

I don't believe in shoot once either lol. you empty the clip until they stop moving :manny: why? Because you're not that good. Also, people that go off that adrenaline to power through that kind of damage? They will fukking crush you. Shoot once is bullshyt. wasting bullets is absurd too - on the civilian side you're not fighting goons for hours from football fields away. your 'shootout' isn't likely to last more than 30 seconds. guns aren't scalpels, they're hammers. make loud noises and flatten shyt out

guns jamming is user negligence/error in this day in age in all but the most crazy circumstances. if you're using something much older especially.... newer weapons have all sorts of failsafes to prevent that. if you don't clean your firearms then reap what you sow

and again, when you got shyt popping off at that moment you really gonna pump brakes and ask if if its worth it when trying to keep your permit when a dude is about to cave your forehead in? :patrice: judged by 12 > carried by 6
 
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bolded - you're making shyt complicated and being obtuse here.... its a warning shot. not landing a helicopter. fire it in the dirt or in the air and preferably not into the nearest apartment complex or baby stroller

As for the rest - some people can see a gun and keep their energy. the sound of gunfire will shake all but the dumbest/bravest after that. it serves a purpose and it works. tried and tested. when people get to a certain point of anxiety, anger, fear, etc they can't be expected respond to commands or communication in general normally. when words don't work, displays of overwhelming force/violence get the point across 9 times out of 10. conversations work for people trying to have a conversation.

I don't believe in shoot once either lol. you empty the clip until they stop moving :manny: why? Because you're not that good.
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I understand what you're saying, I'm not being obtuse I'm being realistic.

Shoot once and shoot accurate means to shoot your intended target.

You can be some person out here trying to save your life by intending to scare someone away. If you can only get one shot off it needs to be directly or as close to the perceived threat as possible. Not the air, because bullets come down, not the dirt, not the grass, not bricks, not wood, not a car. Especially if you're using hollow points them shyts will break off on impact. So if you shoot the ground intending to scare your target then fragments hit that person's leg they will be cut and blooded. Or worse that shyt hits you and your cut and bloodied or it hits your face and eyes and shyt. Now your in danger.

Plus when the cops get there and there's a person injured by gunfire, not shot you have to explain that. You can't say self defense because self defense means you would've shot them directly. You could lie but then your being judged by 12.

You notice you never see law enforcement give "warning shots".

I understand what you're saying .I've sat in too many ccw classes and shooting classes with people who just don't get it so I've had it beat into my head. Bullets don't just disappear or land safely. If you want to put one blank round into the chamber then have the mag full of live rounds that would achieve your point of trying to scare someone, but all rational thoughts, rules of firearm safety and training say to shoot once and shoot accurately, at your intended target.

There is no training or rules for a warning shot because it's silly and if you've exhausted all other options no matter how quickly, when it comes time to pull the gun out which is a last resort, your only option then is to destroy your intended target as defined in the rules of firearm safety and corresponding with all firearm training in the United states . Not shoot for the leg or the arm or at the feet or anything else.

People that own guns or take advantage of gun ownership don't want their individual rights taken away .the last thing you would want or I would want for you is to think your defending yourself, your family or property and now your right to ownership is gone because you did what you felt was right although it's a violation of laws.
 
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