Fat Joe Claims "All Music Is African" & Says Caribbean Latinos Are Black

[Scientific]

mestizo only pertains to Latin countries predominately in Central America
while
taino is synonymous with the Caribbean and South America including several predominantly black countries like Jamaica, Bahamas, Haiti etc.

No its not. Mestizo applies to any indegenious mixture of the Americas. Has nothing to do with Central America. The term was applied by the Spanish for their caste system in all of Latin America. Same as mulatto, zambo, criollo, etc. It was their way of determining societal hierarchy based on racial mixture. You dont know what you're talking about. Ricans like Esai Morales or Erik Estrada can pass for Mexican or any other mestizo Latino because some PRs, depending on region, had a higher % of Taino. Those two would still be considered Mestizo.

 

[Giselle]

Give me an example. Cuz i believe African americans have the express right to determine who is an African American, not the right to go around the world and decide whose black and whose not. Ill even give you my personal pov, my kids kids will probably not speak spanish unless my descendants go around exclusively procreating spanish speaking people. At that point i would believe that my lineage would turn into AA if they keep dating black but they wouldnt be Ados from my side. So if an Ados, black person with a family tree going back to the antebellum south tells my people, you aint african american cuz you got a latin ancestry, ok then cool. But you cant negate that they would be descended from black africans, which is what I think fat joe was tryna say. This is a non debatable thing he brought in NUMBERS and statistics for PR and Cuba which are the two lightest skinned carribbean islands and its still an incredibly BIG portion of that thats either purely African descent, or of mixed descent but with visible African qualities.

Most people who are not Black American and want to claim Black only want to claim it because they want to participate in Black American Culture.

 

[karim]

Most people who are not Black American and want to claim Black only want to claim it because they want to participate in Black American Culture.

they don't want to claim black, they are black. This whole attempt to adapt exclusive ethno nationalism for black americans and define other peoples blackness is retarded. There is no such thing as "pure" black american and "black american culture" is heavily rooted in cultures and traditions from outside the US.

 

[Cat piss martini]

gospel

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Yea i went to go look at a video between the difference now and the haitians in the comment said they understood but that it has a different pace and that the words are frenchier sounding then what haitians speak. Either way thats dope tho id rather learn kreyol and take that to france on vacation and use it around haitians in miami then learn outright french cuz im sure other francophones understand yall right

You know what’s Funny is that Haitians for example have a tough time understanding St Lucian creole but st Lucians understand us just fine.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Leave it up to NY nikkas to for Puerto Ricans. Just like Bay Area/NorCal nikkas for Mexicans. But Hispanics only for black people when it benefits their image. But Nuyoricans like Fat Joe only claim black so they can stake claim in black culture. NY nikkas will argue that Puerto Ricans helped create Hip Hop when many things in black culture have a much deeper history than Hip Hop which is barely 50 years old. And Fat Joe is a fool for saying all Caribbean Latinos are black when he knows he's not black himself. In the early 2000's when he was under fire for dropping n bombs as a cactino, he never once said my grandfather is black or blah blah blah. I've met Puerto Ricans who are clearly black looking like Carmelo Anthony or LaLa cousin from other places like Miami clearly stating they are not black every opportunity they get. All immigrant groups look down on American blacks. Even if these immigrants start off poor in the hood living around blacks, they always eventually show their true colors once they get some dough and start living way out in mayo slathered suburbia. The only time immigrants claim black is when they want to claim black culture all while looking down on ADOS folks who suffer from generations of direct white oppression that goes back to slavery in Amerikkka. Coli Afric00ns do the same by insinuating any non-African is really not black while claiming ADOS culture as their own when their own nationalities and cultures are still intact, but no one thinks Ethiopian music slaps or Ghanian gear is dope.

Melo is half AA

 

[MostReal]

it's great to see Latino brehs realize they just lightskinned brehs.

 

[MostReal]

I understand what Joe is saying but all Caribbean latinos ain't black. Some Ricans have no black blood, and we know about the white cubans. They claim Spaniard colonizer not negro.

true but a lot of them cats are light skinned brehs

 

[im_sleep]

The average ADOS is actually 15-19 percent European. Not 20-25%. And yes most ADOS have little Native American but it more so depends on the state. The Black Seminoles probably have the most Native admixture out of all ADOS.

Thank you, tired of seeing that 20-30% being put out as fact.

I notice over the past few years that number has been getting lower and lower as the sample size increases.


I wish there was demographic information attached to these results. That would tell more of the story.

How many are bi-racial but identify as Black?

How many are multigenerational mixed?

I can bet money that folks with higher income levels are going to be participating more in these tests than poor folks. Given the history of Black wealth and those of us who had the most access to that I can bet those numbers tend higher towards European ancestry.

Location obviously plays a factor, not just regionally, but small town vs. big city.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

 

[kingofnyc]

Then they need to check black on their next census.

They can't have it both ways.

You’re not making any sense again whatever someone identifies themselves has nothing to do what’s in their DNA (And this is only referring to your statement of some of them have no black blood in them)

Now as far as the census and the stats that you posted.... isn’t completely correct regarding race (black & white) for the simple reason - Latins care about nationality not race, cause for the most part they consider themselves a mixture
A poster in another thread brought this up and it’s completely true the only reason they are getting more identified as white it’s because the actual white population has drastically decreased, it’s all just a way to keep the white numbers afloat and for the record once again Im born and raise in da Bx and I never ever heard any PR considered them selves to be white

 

[kingofnyc]

Leave it up to NY nikkas to for Puerto Ricans. Just like Bay Area/NorCal nikkas for Mexicans. But Hispanics only for black people when it benefits their image. But Nuyoricans like Fat Joe only claim black so they can stake claim in black culture. NY nikkas will argue that Puerto Ricans helped create Hip Hop when many things in black culture have a much deeper history than Hip Hop which is barely 50 years old. And Fat Joe is a fool for saying all Caribbean Latinos are black when he knows he's not black himself. In the early 2000's when he was under fire for dropping n bombs as a cactino, he never once said my grandfather is black or blah blah blah. I've met Puerto Ricans who are clearly black looking like Carmelo Anthony or LaLa cousin from other places like Miami clearly stating they are not black every opportunity they get. All immigrant groups look down on American blacks. Even if these immigrants start off poor in the hood living around blacks, they always eventually show their true colors once they get some dough and start living way out in mayo slathered suburbia. The only time immigrants claim black is when they want to claim black culture all while looking down on ADOS folks who suffer from generations of direct white oppression that goes back to slavery in Amerikkka. Coli Afric00ns do the same by insinuating any non-African is really not black while claiming ADOS culture as their own when their own nationalities and cultures are still intact, but no one thinks Ethiopian music slaps or Ghanian gear is dope.

It’s just much easier to say you don’t like New Yorkers and you don’t like Puerto Ricans or any Spanish people’s that come from New York
because the 1st part of your statement is incredibly ignorant

 

[Scientific]

It’s just much easier to say you don’t like New Yorkers and you don’t like Puerto Ricans or any Spanish people’s that come from New York
because the 1st part of your statement is incredibly ignorant

Just because you're from NY doesn't make you any more educated or an expert on the topic. It is very nuanced, & I'll agree with that.

Something I'll never quite understand is how Jose Lopez from the Bronx is more accepted because he's PR & might look like Tony Touch or Tru Life, but Jose Lopez from Chicago who is Mexican & looks the same way is somehow not according to some. This has been dissected over & over again. There is optics at play & biases. Layered by each region's cultural acceptance.

 

[Ake1725]

Not to derail the thread but I need you or the breh @Jesus is my protector to let me know what is the difference between Haitian creole and Antillean creole cuz I went to see my spiritual advisor and he told me I have a Haitian in my bloodline and I was like but then I remebered I do have a great grandma from Martinique, is it a different language or what???

Not to piggyback off your question, but can you also explain how much french diverges from haitain and where you learn french because I read somewhere that only 15% of haitians speak french.

 

[Cuban Pete]

Not to piggyback off your question, but can you also explain how much french diverges from haitain and where you learn french because I read somewhere that only 15% of haitians speak french.

Idk if that number is facts tho every haitian I know especially the women knows french and it has official language status over there. I actually know a ton of zoes that speak spanish too, and they not of dominican descent either