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Fast food workers strike in NY for higher wages...
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Dusty Bake Activate
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I'll tell you like I tried to tell people in the Wal-Mart thread. When you don't pay people a livable wage, they then drain the social safety net to make ends meet by using food stamps, Medicaid, etc. You know, stuff you conservatives don't like.
Who has the ability to close the gap? The government or employers. Obviously you don't want the government to do so. These people are lobbying their employers in the private sector who have the means to pay higher wages while barely making a dent in their profits, and thus lessen the burden on taxpayers covering their social welfare costs. So it's flabbergasting to hear conservatives bytching about this. You should be behind it.
lol@you talking about they should just start their own businesses. Yeah, they should all just up and start their own businesses.
95% of business fail in the first five years, but more importantly, people making minimum wage and not even getting full-time hours living in New York generally don't have the means to cover overhead costs to start a business. I was watching some segments about this and a lot of these people live in homeless shelters. "Why don't people in homeless shelters just become entrepeneurs or get engineering degrees." 
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You guys can theorize and hypothesize all day about the benefits of business giving away all their profits to their workers, but in the real world socialism has never succeeded and likely will never will. What would motivate someone to start a business, usually requiring a large initial capital investment, simply just to give the majority of the bonuses away to their workers? I mean, you guys seem to think business are obligated to pay their workers the maximum salary possible, simply for the "good of the nation" or whatever BS you guys seem to believe at the time. Again, its clear that many of you all have never really started a business or really looked at the inner workings of how a successful business thrives. Simply "paying people more" isn't the answer to solve all ills. Because if the business no longer becomes viable (i.e. hostess) then there will be NO profits to pay ANYONE.
You guys can theorize and hypothesize all day about the benefits of business giving away all their profits to their workers, but in the real world socialism has never succeeded and likely will never will. What would motivate someone to start a business, usually requiring a large initial capital investment, simply just to give the majority of the bonuses away to their workers? I mean, you guys seem to think business are obligated to pay their workers the maximum salary possible, simply for the "good of the nation" or whatever BS you guys seem to believe at the time. Again, its clear that many of you all have never really started a business or really looked at the inner workings of how a successful business thrives. Simply "paying people more" isn't the answer to solve all ills. Because if the business no longer becomes viable (i.e. hostess) then there will be NO profits to pay ANYONE.
Scandanavian countries are thriving and the are socialist democracies.
A few extra dollars of minimum wage is socialist, now?
Well, if it is, then it's working, including in some cases in the US.
Maverick Costco CEO Joins Push to Raise Minimum Wage
Dusty Bake Activate
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You guys can theorize and hypothesize all day about the benefits of business giving away all their profits to their workers, but in the real world socialism has never succeeded and likely will never will. What would motivate someone to start a business, usually requiring a large initial capital investment, simply just to give the majority of the bonuses away to their workers? I mean, you guys seem to think business are obligated to pay their workers the maximum salary possible, simply for the "good of the nation" or whatever BS you guys seem to believe at the time. Again, its clear that many of you all have never really started a business or really looked at the inner workings of how a successful business thrives. Simply "paying people more" isn't the answer to solve all ills. Because if the business no longer becomes viable (i.e. hostess) then there will be NO profits to pay ANYONE.
lol....what are you talking about socialism for? These are people petitioning their employers, who make massive profits for more of a share of those profits enough so they can make basic ends meet like food, rent, and healthcare without getting handouts from the government. You're the one supporting socialism. You're supporting draining the taxpayer for social welfare costs.
If you're really going to suggest that companies like McDonald's, Yum Brands, and Wal-Mart can't pay their employees several dollars more per hour than they do now and provide benefits without passing exorbitant costs on to the consumer, that's pure horsehit. Look up their profits.
And there are plenty of corporations who do pay low-skilled workers a decent wage and provide benefits that do stay successful in business and earn far less in profits than the aforementioned companies. Costco for example, which is very similar to Wal-Mart pays their retail associates an average of $17/hr and they make more revenue and profits per employee than Wal-Mart. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/26/why-can-t-walmart-be-more-like-costco.html
But I guess you and I should foot the bill for more food stamp and social safety net expenditures and grow the deficit and higher healthcare costs so the Wal-Mart heirs can possess more wealth than the bottom 50% of Americans instead of just the bottom 42%.
You're not even taking a conservative position here. You're just sucking corporate America's dikk...nothing more. They've got you trained well.
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Ugh....it doesnt always say what it looks like and if you knew a lick about data analysis you would know that but you just post a graph that YOU THINK supports your point without even understanding that graph. The way you have looked at this graph is an extremely simplified way of viewing it and even you dont know what went into making that graph. When you post something, you should know what went into creating that graph, so that an accurate case can be made. But you dont really understand that. You should know the methodology of what went into the graph because you are using it to support a point. But I shouldnt expect you to know that
Dusty Bake Activate
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lol...I love posters who try to condescendingly argue non-points and say absolutely nothing. As I said, the fact that productive output has drastically increased while wages and compensation has remained flat for the past 35 years is not in dispute. Every economist and economic think tank has come to the same conclusion.Ugh....it doesnt always say what it looks like and if you knew a lick about data analysis you would know that but you just post a graph that YOU THINK supports your point without even understanding that graph. The way you have looked at this graph is an extremely simplified way of viewing it and even you dont know what went into making that graph. When you post something, you should know what went into creating that graph, so that an accurate case can be made. But you dont really understand that. You should know the methodology of what went into the graph because you are using it to support a point. But I shouldnt expect you to know that
As far as the methodology goes, gee, maybe they record wages reported by the Bureau of labor adjusted for inflation and plotted it against the total ratio of business output to business input. Doesn't seem like a very complicated process. Sorry if I didn't look up the primary literature from the Economy Policy Institute and study the raw data before I posted the graph.
Here's another graph that shows the same thing from the BLS itself.
Here's a whole google image search result on the topic for you. http://www.google.com/search?q=wage...Gc9gSezIDYBw&ved=0CAQQ_AUoAA&biw=1366&bih=664
So either every economist and economic research firm in the world and the U. S. government is making shyt up, and what we empirically experience with us having less savings and spending power than the previous generations despite more two income families and we live in some kind of matrix world where reality is turned upside down or wages have flatlined while productivity has rapidly increased over the past 35 years like the graph shows. If you dispute the conclusion of graph, present your case with data. If not, kindly shut the fukk up until you can make a worthwhile point.
How about we focus on raising minimum wage across the board?
That's the only justifiable way that anybody who works fast food should get a pay raise.
That's the only justifiable way that anybody who works fast food should get a pay raise.
it's not "justifiable" to expect an employer to pay a living wage?
that sounds like religious people that say their fear of God is the only reason they don't murder people
Padron1926
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lol...I love posters who try to condescendingly argue non-points and say absolutely nothing. As I said, the fact that productive output has drastically increased while wages and compensation has remained flat for the past 35 years is not in dispute. Every economist and economic think tank has come to the same conclusion.
As far as the methodology goes, gee, maybe they record wages reported by the Bureau of labor adjusted for inflation and plotted it against the total ratio of business output to business input. Doesn't seem like a very complicated process. Sorry if I didn't look up the primary literature from the Economy Policy Institute and study the raw data before I posted the graph.
Here's another graph that shows the same thing from the BLS itself.
Here's a whole google image search result on the topic for you. wages vs. productivity - Google Search
So either every economist and economic research firm in the world is making shyt up, or wages have flatlined while productivity has rapidly increased over the past 35 years. If you dispute the conclusion of graph, present your case with data. If not, kindly shut the fukk up until you can make a worthwhile point.
I did make my point you fukkin idiot. You present a graph and draw somekinda bullshyt conclusion without even understanding what went into making the graph.....how did they arrive at the index number for the year 1983?? Tell me that smart guy......Instead, to try and counter me you present me with the fact "every economist" draws this conclusion. You know what I dont give a rats ass what they think, Im getting at you for posting shyt you dont understand. To understand the graph you really need to know how those figures were arrived at but you evidently dont. You dont even understand fully what you post cause your a clown. If I presented a graphical analysis in my field and did not know what went into that graph I presented, I would be laughed out of the room
And I am smarter than you fakkit
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
I did make my point you fukkin idiot. You present a graph and draw somekinda bullshyt conclusion without even understanding what went into making the graph.....how did they arrive at the index number for the year 1983?? Tell me that smart guy......Instead, to try and counter me you present me with the fact "every economist" draws this conclusion. You know what I dont give a rats ass what they think, Im getting at you for posting shyt you dont understand. To understand the graph you really need to know how those figures were arrived at but you evidently dont. You dont even understand fully what you post cause your a clown. If I presented a graphical analysis in my field and did not know what went into that graph I presented, I would be laughed out of the room
And I am smarter than you fakkit
It's pretty simple to someone who isn't a retard like you. They plotted wages based on BLS numbers adjusted for inflation vs. the ratio of business output to input...you know just like the other 1,000 economic research firms and government agencies who reached the exact same conclusion did. I'm sorry is this is too complex for you to wrap your mind around.
Maybe I should've added pictures drawn with crayons for you.You don't even deny the truth of the data or the conclusion about wages and productivity. You're just being a dikkhole because you're bored. Log off.