Ex-Singaporean leader (smartest country in the world) explains why US empire will crumble if it continues with its current Playbook
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I know what Singapore is, you fakkit weirdo foreigner. I don't care about fake moral superiority from that region when most children live in poverty in SEA and prostitution is rampant.Tell us you don't know what Singapore is.
You foreigners are so obsessed with comparing yourselves to America.
skokiaan
African original
My man doesn't know how NATO works and is pushing for nationalism
How many dinners has he attended at maralago
How many dinners has he attended at maralago
foreign fakkit
By mistake, sorryWhy you neg me breh?
African Peasant
Veteran
What's Eurovosion has to dowith black people?
It’s literally part of the thread
There’s politics in linguistics.
Using “woke” in a negative connotation is anti-Blackness.
Why you cats always want to make black people the poster child for nonsense?
ReasonableMatic
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I hear what you’re saying, but I have to disagree.
”woke” is not disassociated from Black folks.
“Woke” is used with a negative connotation as a dog whistle to maintain the white/conservative status quo when social injustices are adressed to dismantle it.
Especially by (Far) right-wing/conservatives who are predominantly WHITE and/or religious that benefit from the status quo THEY THEMSELVES created.
(This can be extended to non-Black right-wing/conservatives)
Erykah Baduh having to explain that doesn’t negate that fact.
Woke is associated with Black ppl, as we are the creators of it.
(Hence why “woke” was and still is used to say Black and damn near flatout the N word)
The function of “woke” was to stimulate social awareness of social injustices by way of Black ppl.
Anti-Blackness (Racism), LGBT (Freedom of expression), gender equality, etc all fall under social injustices.
So one can’t separate those things,
and they accordingly are not separated in the usage of “woke”
They all fall under social justice (which is part of left-wing politics)
That’s why it’s been MAGA/right wingers that were leading the “anti-woke brigade” as a racist but also religious-conservative dog whistle for their base.
And in truth, there’s no such thing as a true left wing political party in US politics, as Democrats are centre to centre-right politically.
It’s simply called “left wing” because the US despite popular belief, is way more conservative than it thinks of itself.
This lack of political understanding is exactly why Black ppl are frustrated with the Democrats for not “changing the status quo”, when that’s EXACTLY what political centrism does.
Naming centrism “Left-wing” without understanding what political centrism is, is exactly why we’re inefficient politically.
You can’t want Left-wing politics, but maintain Centrist to Rightwing views and ideologies that oppose it.
LGBT ppl understand Left-wing politics better and engage it in more as a unit politically, so they achieve more accordingly.
So when we as a ppl hear “The plights of Black ppl and LGBT ppl are intertwined” and get frustrated.
It speaks to our lack of political understanding of the Left Wing spectrum.
Which is necessary for our liberation.
And maintain the status quo designed to oppress us by having Left wing desires, but Centrist to conservative believes and votes.
But us Black ppl don’t want to accept that fact, bc we’re blinded by the bigotry preventing us from looking at it for what it actually is.
Well-calculated Leftwing political decisions made by a minority collective for the greater good, in a Centrist and Conservative space, and reduce it to “agenda”
While we could be learning and engaging with them politically under the Leftwing political umbrella too.
Because in a white-conservative space being the norm, being Black by default is an “agenda”
so “super liberal” is the inaccurate term used by the mass public in America that doesn’t understand the difference between the 3. When in actuality it’s Left-wing socialism.
Even the framing of being a secular nation, is misleading with the immense power the Church has on US politics.
Zionism being so present in America is a manifestation of that fact.
To come back to the term “woke” not being disassociated from Black folks.
The first thing racists say when Black ppl are included into things like ‘Little Mermaid’ (which falls undern anti-racism)
is “this that woke shyt”
The first thing homophobes say when LGBT ppl
(which falls under freedom of expression) are included into things like storylines of movies is “this is that woke shyt”
The two are impossible to disconnect as our existence as Black ppl is a permanent social justice issue.
Like LGBT ppl’s existence is a social justice issue as well.
The thing is, we as Black ppl are a race.
LGBT ppl are not limited to race, it includes Black and white ppl, so it’s easier to hear the term “woke”
That doesn’t mean it’s been disassociated from Black folks.
Hell, there are Black ppl that copy racists and use woke negatively too
(which bugs me out every single time as it literally adds to our oppression as a ppl through linguistics doing that, but I digress.)
LGBT ppl “having a huge voice and cultural presence in the West” as a blanket statement is a bit misleading imo.
The West was the oppressor for so long in recent times, they had a longer time to focus on human rights like freedom of expression which LGBT ppl fall under.
They were in the Global South as well, but colonialism happened and ppl want to pretend they didn’t exist in cultures prior because of imposed Abrahamic religions via colonialism and Imperialism.
An oppressed ppl can barely liberate itself when it’s focused on survival.
Many of these “other cultures” haven’t even liberated themselves from things like colonial anti-LGBT laws
(predominantly imposed under Western colonial rule in the first place ironically)
theconversation.com
LGBT ppl that fear extreme persecution in the Global South,
go to the West to have some sense of legal protection.
So ofcourse their presence is gonna look more visible in the West compared to the Global South.
LGBT ppl exist across the board, no amount of “this is not part of our culture” will erase that fact.
Besides, “other cultures” hate the West more because of Imperialism, colonialism and perpetual exploitation of the Global South if anything.
That’s my take on it.
Woke is associated with Black ppl, as we are the creators of it.
(Hence why “woke” was and still is used to say Black and damn near flatout the N word)
The function of “woke” was to stimulate social awareness of social injustices by way of Black ppl.
Anti-Blackness (Racism), LGBT (Freedom of expression), gender equality, etc all fall under social injustices.
So one can’t separate those things,
and they accordingly are not separated in the usage of “woke”
They all fall under social justice (which is part of left-wing politics)
That’s why it’s been MAGA/right wingers that were leading the “anti-woke brigade” as a racist but also religious-conservative dog whistle for their base.
And in truth, there’s no such thing as a true left wing political party in US politics, as Democrats are centre to centre-right politically.
It’s simply called “left wing” because the US despite popular belief, is way more conservative than it thinks of itself.
This lack of political understanding is exactly why Black ppl are frustrated with the Democrats for not “changing the status quo”, when that’s EXACTLY what political centrism does.
Naming centrism “Left-wing” without understanding what political centrism is, is exactly why we’re inefficient politically.
You can’t want Left-wing politics, but maintain Centrist to Rightwing views and ideologies that oppose it.
LGBT ppl understand Left-wing politics better and engage it in more as a unit politically, so they achieve more accordingly.
So when we as a ppl hear “The plights of Black ppl and LGBT ppl are intertwined” and get frustrated.
It speaks to our lack of political understanding of the Left Wing spectrum.
Which is necessary for our liberation.
And maintain the status quo designed to oppress us by having Left wing desires, but Centrist to conservative believes and votes.
But us Black ppl don’t want to accept that fact, bc we’re blinded by the bigotry preventing us from looking at it for what it actually is.
Well-calculated Leftwing political decisions made by a minority collective for the greater good, in a Centrist and Conservative space, and reduce it to “agenda”
While we could be learning and engaging with them politically under the Leftwing political umbrella too.
Because in a white-conservative space being the norm, being Black by default is an “agenda”
so “super liberal” is the inaccurate term used by the mass public in America that doesn’t understand the difference between the 3. When in actuality it’s Left-wing socialism.
Even the framing of being a secular nation, is misleading with the immense power the Church has on US politics.
Zionism being so present in America is a manifestation of that fact.
To come back to the term “woke” not being disassociated from Black folks.
The first thing racists say when Black ppl are included into things like ‘Little Mermaid’ (which falls undern anti-racism)
is “this that woke shyt”
The first thing homophobes say when LGBT ppl
(which falls under freedom of expression) are included into things like storylines of movies is “this is that woke shyt”
The two are impossible to disconnect as our existence as Black ppl is a permanent social justice issue.
Like LGBT ppl’s existence is a social justice issue as well.
The thing is, we as Black ppl are a race.
LGBT ppl are not limited to race, it includes Black and white ppl, so it’s easier to hear the term “woke”
That doesn’t mean it’s been disassociated from Black folks.
Hell, there are Black ppl that copy racists and use woke negatively too
(which bugs me out every single time as it literally adds to our oppression as a ppl through linguistics doing that, but I digress.)
LGBT ppl “having a huge voice and cultural presence in the West” as a blanket statement is a bit misleading imo.
The West was the oppressor for so long in recent times, they had a longer time to focus on human rights like freedom of expression which LGBT ppl fall under.
They were in the Global South as well, but colonialism happened and ppl want to pretend they didn’t exist in cultures prior because of imposed Abrahamic religions via colonialism and Imperialism.
An oppressed ppl can barely liberate itself when it’s focused on survival.
Many of these “other cultures” haven’t even liberated themselves from things like colonial anti-LGBT laws
(predominantly imposed under Western colonial rule in the first place ironically)
How Britain’s colonial legacy still affects LGBT politics around the world
Of the 72 countries that still criminalise gay sex today, at least 38 of them were once subject to British colonialism.
theconversation.com
LGBT ppl that fear extreme persecution in the Global South,
go to the West to have some sense of legal protection.
So ofcourse their presence is gonna look more visible in the West compared to the Global South.
LGBT ppl exist across the board, no amount of “this is not part of our culture” will erase that fact.
Besides, “other cultures” hate the West more because of Imperialism, colonialism and perpetual exploitation of the Global South if anything.
That’s my take on it.
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I Really Mean It
Veteran
as applied by him in this context, the term “woke” is referring to the relaxation of moral values in america. notice how he indicates its spread to asia. there are hardly any black people in asia, so that’s obviously not what he is alluding to.
what he’s more concerned with, i imagine, is this trans hysteria and the general obsession america has with promoting the lgbt lifestyle.
The thing is tho....as applied by him in this context, the term “woke” is referring to the relaxation of moral values in america. notice how he indicates its spread to asia. there are hardly any black people in asia, so that’s obviously not what he is alluding to.
what he’s more concerned with, i imagine, is this trans hysteria and the general obsession america has with promoting the lgbt lifestyle.
LGBT people don't use the term "woke" to describe themselves....
"woke" is only used by black people and politically aware people...
the negative connotation was made by opposition to discredit the term itself.....
if another country uses the same term...
it's the same as that country using "ghetto" or "welfare queen" to describe their issues/problems...
trying to act like the term has been divorced from it's origins is disingenuous...
because it's origins are the exact reason why the term was flipped
I knew it was BS as soon as he said that China doesn't want to replace the US. They have specifically said that. After that I knew he was lying.
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
China has been throwing around “we are older thus wiser and better” argument against all its neighbors as to why the majority of its immediate neighbors (Philippines, Japan, Taiwan South Korea, Vietnam, Mongolia etc) hate them. It’s a legacy of Chinese imperialism where all nations were expected to be vassals of the Middle Kingdom.
List of tributary states of China - Wikipedia
The USA as a political entity is older than the current regime of China.
Unified “Chinese” culture is a myth. China was home to many different ethnic groups, religions, languages, dialects and cultures. It would be like talking about African culture or European culture.
The concept of a “nation state” was only recently introduced to China as early as the 19th century, before that it was just whatever the emperor possessed and its tributary vassals. Your life, property, anything you possessed was just the property of the emperor.
Geopolitics is not a Chinese invention. China can claim to be playing the “long game” all it wants. Its demographics paint a different picture and doesn’t care who the emperor of the Song dynasty was in 1200AD
China's demographic outlook and implications for 2035
China's population has reached its peak and is projected to…
It’s not like anyone is attempting to predict the US taking a backseat to China, lol We’ll still be #1, but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that we may need to tweak the way we view or interact with them.
