European vs North American description of the Moors

[Malik]

@GetInTheTruck we talk about Egypt because the entire world talks about Egypt. Its famous. Its revered. It influenced the ancient world. And Africans built it. I mean.....what kind of stupid azz question is that? Why do people talk about New York, Paris and London more than they talk about Nashville and Dallas? Why do you think?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

You didn't answer my question. You said the other, non-Egyptian Africans were perceived as inferior by Europeans because they didnt accomplish anything great. Not because of their black skin. So, if skin color didn't matter, and it was solely due to merit, then why did Europeans try to hide the Black origins of Ancient Egypt?

I don't believe Europeans were trying to "hide" anything as far as skin color goes, but I do believe that Europeans were trying to create a scenario where Egypt was disconnected from the rest of Africa in terms of identity and and closer to the middle east/eurasia. Remember, these same cacs you're accusing of "hiding" things are the same cacs who popularized the widely accepted theory that humanity had its origins in Africa.

 

[Swagnificent]

Except Europeans didn't view Egyptians and the Africans they enslaved as being from the same stock of people even though they were both dark skinned African peoples, you're proving my point. They viewed the Africans they enslaved as an inferior people based on what what they perceived to be their lack of a glorious history and accomplishment like that of the Egyptians. Like I said, skin color had very little to do with anything.

you guys always want to bring up ancient Greece and Rome and how it relates to white people but neglect to mention how much those two societies influenced present day western civilization which has been the basis for white domination of the planet for hundreds of years now. Ancient Egypt didn't have nearly the same effect on the rest of Africa as Greece and Rome did on Europe.

how about you actually research this topic and find out the truth rather than assuming shyt based on being brainwashed since birth by white supremacy

Here is an account from in 1787 from Count Constantine de Volney, a French nobleman, who spent nearly seven months in Egypt.

"All the Egyptians," wrote de Volney, "have a bloated face, puffed-up eyes, flat nose, thick lips – in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says:

' As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians
because, like them, they are black with woolly hair...

"When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma(of how the modern Egyptians came to have their 'mulatto' appearance)

"In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold.

"Just think," de Volney declared incredulously, "that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!

"In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mould."

M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783, 1784, and 1785 (London: 1787), p. 80-83.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/sphinx.htm

here's a picture of the Sphinx before its nose was shot off

 

[GetInTheTruck]

@GetInTheTruck we talk about Egypt because the entire world talks about Egypt. Its famous. Its revered. It influenced the ancient world. And Africans built it. I mean.....what kind of stupid azz question is that? Why do people talk about New York, Paris and London more than they talk about Nashville and Dallas? Why do you think?

Europeans taught you what to admire and what to admire less.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

how about you actually research this topic and find out the truth rather than assuming shyt based on being brainwashed since birth by white supremacy

Here is an account from in 1787 from Count Constantine de Volney, a French nobleman, who spent nearly seven months in Egypt.



http://www.freemaninstitute.com/sphinx.htm

here's a picture of the Sphinx before its nose was shot off

Bruh, you read Diops and John G. Jacksons books, good for you, so have I. That doesn't disprove anything I've said so far. I never claimed the ancient Egyptians shouldn't be considered a "black" people....but they were culturally and ethnically different from other African societies. You can't blame cacs for making those divisions because those divisions existed before cacs even stepped on the scene.

 

[Swagnificent]

Arguing about what the Moors, Egyptians, or Berbers would be considered today is useless. We know they weren't white, who gives a fukk.

Can you link me to some European sources from the pre-1800's praising the societies in other parts of Africa with the same admiration as they did Egypt?

First of all, what does praise of other parts of Africa have to do with whether or not egypt was black. That is a true misnomer and a perfect example of the racist mind of a cac. Let me just throw this type of question right back at you. Can you link me some non-European sources from the pre-1800s praising the societies in other parts of Europe with the same admiration as they did Greece and Rome?

Second, have you looked at a map lately? The reason Europe knew anything about Egypt was because it was located at the very northern tip of Africa. And the only europeans who wrote extensively about it before the 1800s were the Greeks and Romans. Why? Because they were the closest. No one in the more northern parts of europe knew anything about Egypt other than from the accounts of the Greeks. And do you know who translated the works of the Greeks? Not other europeans. It was translated by Muslim scholars from ancient greek to arabic and then to latin. So even knowledge of Ancient Greece was only transmitted to europeans by non-europeans. Thats how out of clue the rest of europe was from what was going on around the Mediterranean.

 

[Malik]

I don't believe Europeans were trying to "hide" anything as far as skin color goes, but I do believe that Europeans were trying to create a scenario where Egypt was disconnected from the rest of Africa in terms of identity and and closer to the middle east/eurasia.

This statement makes no sense. And I see you're not going to answer me straight up. Next time, don't make statements you can't back up. Because you're backpedaling right now. Extracting Egypt from Africa and trying to tie it with Eurasia/The Middle East is just a prettier way of saying they wanted to suppress Egypt's Black African origin. Or to put it bluntly, to hide that they were nikkas. Because Blacks are not native to Europe or Arabia.

Remember, these same cacs you're accusing of "hiding" things are the same cacs who popularized the widely accepted theory that humanity had its origins in Africa.

No, they weren't. Don't compare scientists/researchers today with those from 200 years ago. Everything those cacs did was drenched in racism and white supremacy. In comparison, the science community today and in the future is more likely to be unbiased and to continue in that direction. The Out of Africa theory, which you brought up, wasn't accepted until maybe 30 years ago. No way that shiit flies in the 1700s/1800s, let alone the 1900s.

 

[Swagnificent]

I can't say for sure and neither can you. Some may be considered black, sure, others may be more ambiguous

actually I can because I'm relying on how your ancestors in europe described them. in every european dictionary from antiquity, the word Moor meant black and negro.

don't believe me. just watch this video.

 

[Swagnificent]

I don't believe Europeans were trying to "hide" anything as far as skin color goes, but I do believe that Europeans were trying to create a scenario where Egypt was disconnected from the rest of Africa in terms of identity and and closer to the middle east/eurasia. Remember, these same cacs you're accusing of "hiding" things are the same cacs who popularized the widely accepted theory that humanity had its origins in Africa.

after centuries of fighting it.

You really have no idea about what you're saying. The out of africa theory has only gained acceptance in the last 30 years after DNA and genetic evidence proved it without a shadow of a doubt. Before that, most europeans were still hanging on to the theory that humans evolved differently in different parts of the world. They admitted that the original non-human hominids may have started in africa but that true man evolved in asia and europe while africa was left with the sub-human negro.


Please my friend. It seems like you don't have true racial animace but are rather extremely ignorant. read up on these issues so that you can understand the truth.

 

[Swagnificent]

Bruh, you read Diops and John G. Jacksons books, good for you, so have I. That doesn't disprove anything I've said so far. I never claimed the ancient Egyptians shouldn't be considered a "black" people....but they were culturally and ethnically different from other African societies. You can't blame cacs for making those divisions because those divisions existed before cacs even stepped on the scene.

talk about moving the goalposts. after being thoroughly schooled, this is where you go. here let me bind you some more in these twists and turns.

Were the greeks and romans "culturally and ethnically different" from other northern european societies? How about I say they are not white. They are different in type of the european in Sweden and Denmark. That northern europeans should stop associating themselves with Greece or Rome. I'm guessing you'll stand by me on this stance?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

actually I can because I'm relying on how your ancestors in europe described them. in every european dictionary from antiquity, the word Moor meant black and negro.

don't believe me. just watch this video.

LOL why do you assume that I'm white? I'm Indian and probably just as dark as you if not darker. I would have probably been considered "black" by racist cacs in the 1800's too. What does that mean in the grand scheme of things? Absolutely nothing.

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

One of the many historical facts of the Moors being 'black' is the Flag of Sardinia

http://www.answers.com/topic/flag-of-sardinia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Sardinia

 

[GetInTheTruck]

talk about moving the goalposts. after being thoroughly schooled, this is where you go. here let me bind you some more in these twists and turns.

Were the greeks and romans "culturally and ethnically different" from other northern european societies? How about I say they are not white. They are different in type of the european in Sweden and Denmark. That northern europeans should stop associating themselves with Greece or Rome. I'm guessing you'll stand by me on this stance?

I already explained why bringing up Greece and Rome does nothing to help your argument a few posts above. Try to keep up.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

after centuries of fighting it.

You really have no idea about what you're saying. The out of africa theory has only gained acceptance in the last 30 years after DNA and genetic evidence proved it without a shadow of a doubt. Before that, most europeans were still hanging on to the theory that humans evolved differently in different parts of the world. They admitted that the original non-human hominids may have started in africa but that true man evolved in asia and europe while africa was left with the sub-human negro.


Please my friend. It seems like you don't have true racial animace but are rather extremely ignorant. read up on these issues so that you can understand the truth.

Who's moving the goalposts now? cacs are either trying to hide things or they aren't. Which is it? Yes, as time goes on and scientific techniques make advancements more and more facts emerge. What a concept

 

[Swagnificent]

LOL why do you assume that I'm white? I'm Indian and probably just as dark as you if not darker. I would have probably been considered "black" by racist cacs in the 1800's too. What does that mean in the grand scheme of things? Absolutely nothing.

do you have hair like wool? because if you don't, you wouldn't have been a moor. the moors were described not only as dark skinnned but with wooly hair. typical of the description of modern day black people.