End Jim Crow Segregation at Oakland Restaurants, Say Activists

[MeachTheMonster]

if its possible... who cares about whether its probable...

Society should. Or else why does society exist?

you are using talking points like you are arguing with a racist who is "blaming" blacks for their own problems...

I'm using the thought process of talking to my people to push them to pursue success

give me a room full of 100 brothers... I'm gonna have at least half of them eating if they want to listen

give you a room full of 100 brothers... they gonna leave feeling more hopeless than when they arrived

the overall point of my post is to define money making avenue, develop skill through available training, pursue work and gain experience., push to maintain income...

thats really the only way to make money for 90% of the population black or white...

thats not even mentioned in the 3 options listed before..

Many people don't have "available training" or the opportunity to "pursue work"

And even if they do their opportunities have less reward at the end. That's what this thread and this story is about.

If you want to talk about money making strategies then make a thread about it. In the context of this thread your comments are a mere distraction from the topic at hand.

 

[Anno Domini]

Stem is important but honestly trade school is where it's at atm. You get a much higher return on your investment. There's a huge defict of trade workers right now, just due to everyone going to college nowadays and thinking trade work is "beneath them" but if you go to any job search site, what are the most common listings? IT, HVAC, line cooks, truck drivers, etc... There's money to be made going this route.

 

[rapbeats]

This planet, Can you not fukking comprehend BASIC English. Do you understand how MANY foreign work visas are issued due to demand in many sectors of the STEM field due to MOST Americans not being in those fields. I can't count the NUMBER of African immigrants who've come here to get jobs housing and eat VERY WELL by being in STEM.

What solutions do you offer..OR suggest to help AA's, cuz All I'm seeing is bytchING?

you dont get it. they like foreigners, do you know why? because they are not BLACK like us americans. even africans. not because they are up on their stem. they like them because they can low ball them too. and they wont cry about it. because in their respective countries the pay would be much much less and their are a lot less opportunities. They wont complain about a lack of higher wages. they wont complain about not getting adequate raises. They wont complain about not being able to move up. But guess who will? You and I. black americans. we help build this thing called america. our parents, grandparents had to deal with all that nonsense to get to this point. aint no way in hell we are going to lie down and just take it without at least making noise when we get these STEM jobs. the white man already knows this is the case. which is reason #2 aside from racism, why he would still hire the indian, african, asian person before he hires me or you.

 

[rapbeats]

Stem is important but honestly trade school is where it's at atm. You get a much higher return on your investment. There's a huge defict of trade workers right now, just due to everyone going to college nowadays and thinking trade work is "beneath them" but if you go to any job search site, what are the most common listings? IT, HVAC, line cooks, truck drivers, etc... There's money to be made going this route.

This is true. but remember the article. THEY WONT LET YOU BE A LINE COOK, even though you have the credentials. THEY WONT LET YOU work at these eateries even though you have more experience then these white dudes/and chicks. so just like they are keeping blacks out in Oak, they can keep you out of a HVAC job.

and guess what happens after that? You have to create your own business. didnt i say that in my original post? thats one of the only options you have left. Then the question is who will hire your black..a... to do a job? black people. and black people only for the most part.

 

[Anno Domini]

This is true. but remember the article. THEY WONT LET YOU BE A LINE COOK, even though you have the credentials. THEY WONT LET YOU work at these eateries even though you have more experience then these white dudes/and chicks. so just like they are keeping blacks out in Oak, they can keep you out of a HVAC job.

and guess what happens after that? You have to create your own business. didnt i say that in my original post? thats one of the only options you have left. Then the question is who will hire your black..a... to do a job? black people. and black people only for the most part.

I don't know how it is Oakland so I can't comment on that, but on the east coast its different. My dad is line cook and a large majority of the line cooks at all of the places i've worked have been black.

 

[Savvir]

This is true. but remember the article. THEY WONT LET YOU BE A LINE COOK, even though you have the credentials. THEY WONT LET YOU work at these eateries

bullshyt... if you want a job as a line cook or a server in LA or Oakland PM me right now with your resume and I'll get you a callback easy....

last time i talked about lack of brothers/sisters at restaurants with a few owners I know.. they said they dont really get applications from blacks that often...

defeatist attitude is self fulfilling

already have american culture against us... now you have your own mind undermining your success.

 

[Savvir]

Society should. Or else why does society exist?


Many people don't have "available training" or the opportunity to "pursue work"

And even if they do their opportunities have less reward at the end. That's what this thread and this story is about.

If you want to talk about money making strategies then make a thread about it. In the context of this thread your comments are a mere distraction from the topic at hand.

1. the vast majority of blacks in america do have resources and opportunities available... whether they realizer it or not...

2. You're dealing with an idealistic view of society... I'm dealing with the reality and how to maximize your success based on whats curently available..

3. my point stands that the vast majority of poor blacks have more than 3 options in this world... whether you realize it or not.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

1. the vast majority of blacks in america do have resources and opportunities available... whether they realizer it or not...

2. You're dealing with an idealistic view of society... I'm dealing with the reality and how to maximize your success based on whats curently available..

3. my point stands that the vast majority of poor blacks have more than 3 options in this world... whether you realize it or not.

1. Vast majority of blacks take advantage of those resources but they still end up underpaid as what's talked about in the article in the op.

2. It's you dealing with an "idealistic view" where people overcome systemic barriers by simply trying.

3. Yes they could all join the circus

 

[Savvir]

1. Vast majority of blacks take advantage of those resources but they still end up underpaid as what's talked about in the article in the op.

2. It's you dealing with an "idealistic view" where people overcome systemic barriers by simply trying.

3. Yes they could all join the circus

1. by conceding the point that resources are available, you are contradicting your previous post saying people don't have that opportunity

2. explain how "trying" to overcome something is idealistic????...matter of fact.. just destroy my whole argument by posting some ideas on how to succeed without trying at all...

3. no need to have job fairs or stem programs for minority youth then right? since there are no options why do community organizations keep trying? Dont they know its not possible for blacks to succeed? All these black scholarship programs are a waste of money too right? matter of fact... lets just stop doing all community outreach too... ditch voter drives etc. blacks can only be a business owner, homeless, or a drug dealer.... why waste time trying to tell blacks to pursue anything? They cant make it. They cant be successful. They will fail.

^is this congruent with your view? because this is the exact opposite of my view.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

1. by conceding the point that resources are available, you are contradicting your previous post saying people don't have that opportunity

2. explain how "trying" to overcome something is idealistic????...matter of fact.. just destroy my whole argument by posting some ideas on how to succeed without trying at all...

3. no need to have job fairs or stem programs for minority youth then right? since there are no options why do community organizations keep trying? Dont they know its not possible for blacks to succeed? All these black scholarship programs are a waste of money too right? matter of fact... lets just stop doing all community outreach too... ditch voter drives etc. blacks can only be a business owner, homeless, or a drug dealer.... why waste time trying to tell blacks to pursue anything? They cant make it. They cant be successful. They will fail.

^is this congruent with your view? because this is the exact opposite of my view.

1. The point isn't that no opportunity exists. The point is the the opportunity is severely limited.

2. Saying that "trying" is all one needs to do to overcome systemic oppression. Is totally missing the point.

3. This little emotional rant has nothing to do what I said. In fact the reason those programs exist is to try to combat the systemic barriers that exist. The people running these programs aknowledge the inherent inequality in the system. They are attempting to create opportunity where there otherwise would be none. A lot of people do not have access to these types of programs for a multitude of reasons, and even those that do get underpaid and hired less.

In a conversation about systemic oppression. "Bootstrap" talk is simply a distraction and a justification for the continued perseverance of the status quo.

 

[Savvir]

1. The point isn't that no opportunity exists. The point is the the opportunity is severely limited.

2. Saying that "trying" is all one needs to do to overcome systemic oppression. Is totally missing the point.

3. This little emotional rant has nothing to do what I said. In fact the reason those programs exist is to try to combat the systemic barriers that exist. The people running these programs aknowledge the inherent inequality in the system. They are attempting to create opportunity where there otherwise would be none. A lot of people do not have access to these types of programs for a multitude of reasons, and even those that do get underpaid and hired less.

In a conversation about systemic oppression. "Bootstrap" talk is simply a distraction and a justification for the continued perseverance of the status quo.

1. you already contradicted yourself... just concede the point that opportunities (especially the community college one I used in my example) do exist yet are limited in comparison to whites.

2. I never said trying is "all" you need to do. Trying is just a necessary ingredient regardless. So not trying is in no way benefiting somebody whereas at least trying has the possibility of bringing progress even if the possibilities are more limited compared to whites.

3. emotional rant? I'm merely taking your logic and applying it to the real world. You claim there are only 3 options. Countless organizations spend time, money, and energy betting against that notion.

4. Stop with the "bootstrap" talk.. I already told you not to talk to me like im a racist fox news guest. Im not placing "blame" on blacks for socioeconomic injustice. I'm merely stating that we have many more options other than being a business owner, homeless, or a drug dealer. Think about how ignorant it is to even name those three things as the only possibility for a black person... borderline racist if you ask me.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

1. you already contradicted yourself... just concede the point that opportunities (especially the community college one I used in my example) do exist yet are limited in comparison to whites.

2. I never said trying is "all" you need to do. Trying is just a necessary ingredient regardless. So not trying is in no way benefiting somebody whereas at least trying has the possibility of bringing progress even if the possibilities are more limited compared to whites.

3. emotional rant? I'm merely taking your logic and applying it to the real world. You claim there are only 3 options. Countless organizations spend time, money, and energy betting against that notion.

4. Stop with the "bootstrap" talk.. I already told you not to talk to me like im a racist fox news guest. Im not placing "blame" on blacks for socioeconomic injustice. I'm merely stating that we have many more options other than being a business owner, homeless, or a drug dealer. Think about how ignorant it is to even name those three things as the only possibility for a black person... borderline racist if you ask me.

In a thread that was created to discuss the inherent inequalities in the system. You responding by talking about what black people should be doing is placing the blame on them.

To say that "trying" will fix the problem is to imply that not "trying" is the cause of the problem.

Those 3 options were presented as the only options for poor black people living in inner-city communities, not all black people.

 

[Savvir]

In a thread that was created to discuss the inherent inequalities in the system. You responding by talking about what black people should be doing is placing the blame on them.

To say that "trying" will fix the problem is to imply that not "trying" is the cause of the problem.

Those 3 options were presented as the only options for poor black people living in inner-city communities, not all black people.

1. in a thread about inequalities i directly address a post that said blacks can only be business owners, homeless, or drug dealers.. that is offensive and borderline racist

2. I'm saying that recognizing the resources that exist plus trying will open up more avenues (even though they are more limited than a white person's) than being a business owner, drug dealer, or homeless.

3. Everything im saying applies to inner city poor blacks too... so drop that

 

[MeachTheMonster]

1. in a thread about inequalities i directly address a statement saying blacks can only be business owners, homeless, or drug dealers.. that is offensive and borderline racist.

2. I'm saying that recognizing the resources that exist plus trying will open up more avenues than being a business owner, drug dealer, or homeless.

3. Everything im saying applies to inner city poor blacks too... so drop that

1. That's not what was said

2. This totally misses the point of the thread or the article in the op

3. No. It does not.

 

[Savvir]

I guarantee you this is the exact same story in chicago and other cities just like it. I know its a fact in Los Angeles. again, what do you expect me to do if you wont hire me due to my skin color? I have 3 choices.

1. become a business owner(but wait, this is a very difficult thing to do and most businesses fail within the first 5 years. and thats when its a white person running it. i wonder what the rate is for people of color(black folks to be specific)? you know its much worse.

2. Start doing crime to get paid
3. check out on life itself and be homeless.

1. That's not what was said

2. This totally misses the point of the thread or the article in the op

3. No. It does not.

1.

I guarantee you this is the exact same story in chicago and other cities just like it. I know its a fact in Los Angeles. again, what do you expect me to do if you wont hire me due to my skin color? I have 3 choices.

1. become a business owner(but wait, this is a very difficult thing to do and most businesses fail within the first 5 years. and thats when its a white person running it. i wonder what the rate is for people of color(black folks to be specific)? you know its much worse.

2. Start doing crime to get paid
3. check out on life itself and be homeless.

2. I'm responding to a particular comment made.... whether or not it has to do with the topic doesn't matter ... this comment needed to be addressed period.

3. But this is the exact route that the vast majority of blacks who started from poverty and got to success have used. It is verifiable by me, one of my interns, my mother, uncles, mother's coworkers, even that uncle tom ben carson.... what are you even talking about? are you talking about poor blacks from a 3rd person perspective or from actually growing up feeling hopeless and then seeing the split between those who burn out and those who move on to success?