Elon Musk “Meanwhile some idiots are still building manned fighter jets like the F-35.”

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

perfect. so if we're talking about potential losses - what's by far more acceptable when it comes to cost?

because even now, it makes zero sense to leverage extremely high cost 5th and 6th gen aircraft against nothing close to a near peer threat lol. and these are planes that fukk up to the tune of millions of dollars just moving from one safe base to the next.

how many hundreds of cheap drones need to fall flat before we get to the price tag of taking one f-35 out the hangar? how much of a win is it when a single drone destroys a multi million dollar tank or artillery piece? that's all its come down too.

The issue is payload. Sure, you can send a bunch of drones to take out targets at a relatively low cost.

But......

1 tactical nuke will take out an entire city and every drone operator in it and, afaik, there aren't any drones capable of carrying tactical nukes for any considerable distance undetected.

In a regular engagement, drones are superior. When shyt hits the fan, however, you'd rather have something that can't be intercepted by someone with an XBox controller and Wifi.

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[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Cautionary tale

 

[Admiral Kali]

Hate Elon much as the next guy but it aint like he's saying anything absurd in this tweet.
Drones are the future of warfare

 

[42 Monks]

The issue is payload. Sure, you can send a bunch of drones to take out targets at a relatively low cost.

But......

1 tactical nuke will take out an entire city and every drone operator in it and, afaik, there aren't any drones capable of carrying tactical nukes for any considerable distance undetected.

In a regular engagement, drones are superior. When shyt hits the fan, however, you'd rather have something that can't be intercepted by someone with an XBox controller and Wifi.

​

there's a *lot* of warfare between talking crazy and nukes though. so like.... again its not even about elon. the game has changed and people need to accept where things are

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Hate Elon much as the next guy but it aint like he's saying anything absurd in this tweet.
Drones are the future of warfare

If unmanned warfare is truly the future, why aren't any major powers abandoning new manned aircraft r&d? China has the J20, US has the F35, and Russia has the su57.

 

[IIVI]

The issue is payload. Sure, you can send a bunch of drones to take out targets at a relatively low cost.

But......

1 tactical nuke will take out an entire city and every drone operator in it and, afaik, there aren't any drones capable of carrying tactical nukes for any considerable distance undetected.

In a regular engagement, drones are superior. When shyt hits the fan, however, you'd rather have something that can't be intercepted by someone with an XBox controller and Wifi.

​

If it’s come to the point for a nuke though, I think an ICBM or hypersonic is still cheaper/more cost-effective than using an F-35 to nuke an area though.

It’s like one of those things that are cool it can do, but the practicality is kind of far-fetched. If anything, you’re putting the pilot at risk.

 

[MrLogic]

If unmanned warfare is truly the future, why aren't any major powers abandoning new manned aircraft r&d? China has the J20, US has the F35, and Russia has the su57.

Because it's not the future

tech bro fascist just want everything attached to tech they can control.

it's like you are building cages but people just not going inside because they see its obvious a cage and no freedom in it
so you make the cage larger and make people think they need it to be in it once they come in
shut the cage and then shrink the size of it.


tech bro's are trying make everyone depended on their BS and world view so they can shrink the cage while we are in it

a cyberpunk like dystopian

 

[IIVI]

If unmanned warfare is truly the future, why aren't any major powers abandoning new manned aircraft r&d? China has the J20, US has the F35, and Russia has the su57.

I think probably because those programs were started a long time ago. F-35 started manufacturing in 2006, with engineering starting in the 90’s.

The new Gen 6 most likely has been on engineering desks for at least over a decade now, time will tell if it’ll incorporate any unmanned functionality.

Crazy thing is something like the F-22 has been applauded for the stealth capability with even it’s ability to avoid lock-on from weapons systems. However, now with computer vision and image recognition, the F-22 is completely targetable by missiles because it is simply an airplane in the sky which even basic A.I can differentiate. Tech is crazy.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

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You got to imagine:

Shoot one of these:


It starts hovering in the air and 10,000 drones come out of it surrounding a location.

These are explosive drones, drones packing guns, drones that can change shape, drones that can infiltrate/hack, drones that can deploy more drones, drones that can hibernate and wait, etc.

All most likely cheaper than the $2 trillion F-35 program. That’s basically what he’s mainly saying.

Even for bunker busting, a few drones can get into nearly any place a human can and fukk shyt up.

Northrop Grumman Taps Epirus For Electromagnetic Pulse C-UAS Weapon System

www.epirusinc.com

 

[Wargames]

if you're not horrified by the last few years of drone warfare especially, then you haven't been paying attention

Not drone war fare I am more worried about a drone terrorist attack or Mass shooter type situation.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Northrop Grumman Taps Epirus For Electromagnetic Pulse C-UAS Weapon System

www.epirusinc.com

Epirus’ C-UAS EMP system — called Leonidas — is designed for static and mobile C-UAS defense and utilizes solid-state commercial semiconductor technology to deliver capability with unprecedented reduction in size and weight. This enables increased stand-off ranges and speed-of-light engagements that do not suffer from issues with magazine depth and capacity. When fired, a Leonidas creates an EMP that can be steered for precision engagements, or adjusted to sanitize a volume of terrain or sky, creating a force field effect.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

there's a *lot* of warfare between talking crazy and nukes though. so like.... again its not even about elon. the game has changed and people need to accept where things are

If it’s come to the point for a nuke though, I think an ICBM or hypersonic is still cheaper/more cost-effective than using an F-35 to nuke an area though.

It’s like one of those things that are cool it can do, but the practicality is kind of far-fetched. If anything, you’re putting the pilot at risk.

Might be of-interest to the discussion....

Some Of The Pentagon’s Drones Cost Their Weight In Gold

The Replicator program seeks thousands of highly capable drones at low cost. It's working against a history of drone acquisition where sticker shock comes as standard.

www.forbes.com

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

gonna be robot vs robot .. while everyone chilling at home soon… actually if it comes down to that I wouldn’t mind.. as long as my ai friends don’t take over

 

[Diunx]

Drone warfare + AI coming soon if it isn't here already, absolutely terrifying, then again, humans keep bombing innocent people.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Not drone war fare I am more worried about a drone terrorist attack or Mass shooter type situation.

We had

if you're not horrified by the last few years of drone warfare especially, then you haven't been paying attention