I'm not sure if you realize this you, but in politics there's this thing called "politicking" where you may not agree on every single value but can influence the eventual nominee of implementing some of your ideas down the road. Can you please tell me how in the hell would bernie implement his ideas in Washington without working with non progressives? Hopefully bernies successor understands... that you can't just tear down washington and wallstreet at the same damn time especially considering it's the party you have to pass actual legislation with. The president is a relatively powerless position without its political base, Bernie's trying to win without his parties voting block.
Elizabeth Warren HQ: She's Got A Plan!
- Thread starter King Kreole
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This brings me to question is bernie trying to actually win the presidency or is he just trying to start a movement?
The people have the ability to shape the party. The public votes. The election of Bernie Sanders to me is the public demanding real change. If Bernie gets in there and he can't get shyt done but people like his ideals then they start voting these other donor puppets out of office and elect people who work with him.
Your argument is the real power lies with the politicians in office and my argument is the real power lies with the people that elect them to office.
Why can't it be both?
Trump was elected because the general public rejected the status quo. Democrats lost states they typically win because the status quo wasn't good enough for them anymore. Mark my words. Bernie may lose in the general but Biden will lose. People already rejected what Biden represents.
We have to just accept that there's a significant % of Warren supporters, (not just on the Coli), who don't give a fukk about this at all. Truth be told, if the situations were reversed, there'd be some die-hard Bernie stans doing the same thing, but neither group is in the right.
The people thus far have rejected progressives candidates at rapid rates 90% of the justice democrats have failed biden is leading bernie by over 1mm+ votes without considering the bloomberg factor. I think its pretty obvious that strong arming your way into change without making several vital steps isn't what the overall country want. Politicans are rejecting it and so are the people.
It's seems Bernie supporters want it both ways some times.
If you accept that he has made progressive ideas part of the mainstream of the Dem party then one should be able to accept that he might not be the best or only person who can carry it out.
If you accept that he has made progressive ideas part of the mainstream of the Dem party then one should be able to accept that he might not be the best or only person who can carry it out.
Well he's been in office for over 30 years without any major legislationIt's seems Bernie supporters want it both ways some times.
If you accept that he has made progressive ideas part of the mainstream of the Dem party then one should be able to accept that he might not be the best or only person who can carry it out.
In your view, is Bernie a Progressive or a Socialist?
Where was that guy that was talking about there being no Bernie discussion in the warren thread?
He missed the boat on propping up a younger version of himself that hadn’t already burned bridges with the majority of the Democratic Party
I’ve said it before but to have been in politics as long as he has, its mindblowing that he has NO idea how to play the game
Bernie is selfish and his game plan was trash in 2016 and arguably worse in 2020 when you consider he had a 4 year head start on the competition.
He missed the boat on propping up a younger version of himself that hadn’t already burned bridges with the majority of the Democratic Party
I’ve said it before but to have been in politics as long as he has, its mindblowing that he has NO idea how to play the game
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
I actually don’t care. I voted yesterday, she’s up against the ropes, so yea, I can talk about supporters, not much more for me to do re warren at this point. and why be in a Liz thread if we’re supposed to just worry about our candidate?
Furthermore, that email was more than supporters, it was the actual campaign, but I’ll let you soap box if you want
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
If Warren sees Bernie's chances as DOA even with her endorsement, the progressive move might be making sure there is a progressive voice in the room in the administration of the inevitable winner. That was her rationale for not endorsing either Bernie or Hillary in 2016. She knew Bernie couldn't win, so she used her non-endorsement to extract progressive concessions from Hillary's team. Warren isn't in this for symbolic wins or principled defeats, she's in this to actually wield power to enact a progressive agenda.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Why not do this first so when people like Liz and Bernie stand up there with their ideas and people talk about how far fetched they are, they’ll already have the infrastructure there in congress to point to and say - “those people are how”
Th3G3ntleman
Superstar
Leave the symbolic gestures for Bernie. Go get and wield power Liz
Althalucian
All Star
They both represent massive symbolic gestures and wield actual power. The in-fighting only helps the rest of the democratic elite and conservatives.