Elijah Muhammad is the greatest Black leader ever in North America

[Losttribe]

no...


A guy that thought Black people some random light skin motherfukker Walllace Fard Muhammad is an incarnation of Allah...isn't the greatest Black leader ever...


The greatest Black leader ever would have to be Huey P. Newton.

@Diasporan Royalty
You dapped this?

 

[Losttribe]

Its Martin

Greatest orator, greatest mobilizer, the youngest, and not tethered to one ideology- he was evolving when given new information.

I know Black nationalist like to paint Garvey's ideology as the best and I like his framework but it was just as la la land as MLK's post racial/working class framework.

MLK was cool
But he pushed integration, during a time when others his age could see pass it.

 

[Losttribe]

Eh.... Nah.

You know one more accomplishments with more results with more Greats he created??

 

[Take It In Blood]

While I personally don't think he put the word out to kill Malcolm (I believe there were just rogue members within the group who decided to take matters into their own hands)

There's alot of people who think he did which would probably knock his stats down a lil bit.


I'd like to throw Paul Robeson's name in the mix.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Garvey's teachings didn't keep Malcolm from becoming a lowlife junkie criminal.
He didn't become great from Graveyism.

Because Garveyism peaked before Malcolm was even born. Are you stupid?


The NOI picked up Malcolm during its postwar proliferation after only being around for a decade and a half.. In prison..

 

[Concerning VIolence]

The UNIA to me is basically the greatest internationalist attempt at black liberation. It was the closet to anything that spoke to the global urge oppressed African people shared (and probably will ever speak). Like a dream almost fermenting to reality.


Inside America, I don't think you can find any exisitng examples better than NOI. Structually they're just a prime jewel of what rigid black self-determination can look like. what black infrastructure can achieve. A micro-nation in of itself. Just the all-around tangibility is what makes the NOI incredible.


There's been movements, parties, wall streets, communes, etc. and the NOI is the only one you can say is still standing firm today and working like a.well-oiled machine.


(I don't think it's a coincidence that the central theme of religion in the NOI is what made it succeed and stick for so long)

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Who killed malcolm x

For real...how can the leader of an organization that killed Malcolm X be the greatest Black leader ever....

Pretty sure there's documents proving COINTELPRO had a hand in assassinating Malcolm X.

Y'all still run with this mess.

 

[jackson35]

Yeah with regard to Garvey and Booker T, Garvey basically took what Booker T was talking about and took it international with the concept of pan africanism and removing colonialism in Africa, where Booker T was mainly local and concentrated strictly on us african americans. So I can understand why Booker T would use his resources to give Garvey a platform, to take it further than even he had envisioned.

As for the c00n Dubois, yep later in his life after he did what he did to destroy Garvey, publicly talk down Booker T, he realized appealing to whites and his integrationishm was a failure. After the did all the dirt he did. Shameful, unfortunately his integrationism/white acceptance string seems to thrive today in white liberal and black intellectual circles.

clearly we don't know anything about dubois, all he did was diagree with his methods to how he was helping black folks and told him to watch his ass cu white folk don't like what your doing out here. plus he use his influence with the white house to get his sentence commuted.

 

[David_TheMan]

clearly we don't know anything about dubois, all he did was diagree with his methods to how he was helping black folks and told him to watch his ass cu white folk don't like what your doing out here. plus he use his influence with the white house to get his sentence commuted.

We know more about DuBois than pretty much everyone else, because he was part of the white created bodies and white liberal media to speak on "black" issues more than Booker T and Garvey.
DuBois did more than disagree and tell him to watch helping black people. DuBois actively worked against Garvey because Garvey wasn't a proponent of black elitists like Du Bois, and he was for full racial segregation.
To see he told Garvey to watch his ass is a lie, he was literally trying to destroy what Garvey was working to build, he literally called Garvey "insane or a traitor to the black race."

 

[jackson35]

We know more about DuBois than pretty much everyone else, because he was part of the white created bodies and white liberal media to speak on "black" issues more than Booker T and Garvey.
DuBois did more than disagree and tell him to watch helping black people. DuBois actively worked against Garvey because Garvey wasn't a proponent of black elitists like Du Bois, and he was for full racial segregation.
To see he told Garvey to watch his ass is a lie, he was literally trying to destroy what Garvey was working to build, he literally called Garvey "insane or a traitor to the black race."

your saying what your saying because you don't understand racial strategy, all the white man has to do with garveyites is pay them off since the shyt black folks was doing for Garvey was free . it took longer to take down dubois because he had the communist party and radical whites in check. the white man had to take each traitorous white man down before he got to dubois.

 

[David_TheMan]

your saying what your saying because you don't understand racial strategy, all the white man has to do with garveyites is pay them off since the shyt black folks was doing for Garvey was free . it took longer to take down dubois because he had the communist party and radical whites in check. the white man had to take each traitorous white man down before he got to dubois.

You are talking non-sense.
You claimed Du Bois tried to warn Garvey, this is is a documented and widely known outright lie born from your ignorance.
As for du Bois, his own life discredits what you are saying, because by the time he was older he had completely abandoned the strategy of integrationism and had adopted the Washington/Garvey line of thinking which was black separatism.

 

[jackson35]

You are talking non-sense.
You claimed Du Bois tried to warn Garvey, this is is a documented and widely known outright lie born from your ignorance.
As for du Bois, his own life discredits what you are saying, because by the time he was older he had completely abandoned the strategy of integrationism and had adopted the Washington/Garvey line of thinking which was black separatism.

the difference here is your repeating white lies. how can you back intergration, but be a panafricianist and hold pan africia meetings with enemys of the usa. how can you say he was for intergration when he was running around telling black folks we need to take over the goverment? the sad part is you think do bois had enough juice to get garvey deported LOL

 

[David_TheMan]

the difference here is your repeating white lies. how can you back intergration, but be a panafricianist and hold pan africia meetings with enemys of the usa. how can you say he was for intergration when he was running around telling black folks we need to take over the goverment? the sad part is you think do bois had enough juice to get garvey deported LOL

WEB DuBois in his own work initally calls for integrationism, so its time to admit you have never read a single article or paper from Du Bois and just move on.
Another show in your intellectual laziness is that you initially claim it was Du Bois who had Garvey's sentence commuted (which was his deporting to Jamiace), now you claim he didn't have enough juice to do the same thing. You literally have no idea what you are writing about.

So there is no reason to continue a discussion with you. That said I hope you get the want to pick up a book and educate yourself on the men we are discussing.

 

[Poitier]

MLK was cool
But he pushed integration, during a time when others his age could see pass it.

Integration as Martin imagined it was no more idealistic than Garveyism.

Martin also understood the real damage of capitalism much better than the NOI or Garvey.

 

[David_TheMan]

Integration as Martin imagined it was no more idealistic than Garveyism.

Martin also understood the real damage of capitalism much better than the NOI or Garvey.

The real damage was capitalism, so seek white accomodation and fairness in a socialist system of communism, where those same whites who are lynching you have even more "legal" /"justified" power over your life than the Washington/NoI/Garvey and later day Du Bois option of championing voluntary black seperation physically and economically?

I don't see your argument, unless you just think capitalism is the root of racism, ignoring the history of socialists of all types, even communists being equally racist and white supremacist as white capitalist.