Elijah Muhammad is the greatest Black leader ever in North America

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The climate of the mid 20s wasnt much different than 1930.

And Malcolm X was created by Elijah Muhammad... X damn near worshipped him. Even the Black Panthers took the Program laid out by Muhammad, according to Huey Newton


And as far as climate


MANY towns, movements, Reverends, leaders, groups got poppin easy Pre integration. Thats why Elijah Muhammad gets some respect from Black economist.... He Kept his mov popping Post Integration- meaning the toughest time to galvanize black people around something black.

Between Dr Sebi, Z York, The Panther Program, Malcolm, Khalid, and The 5%ers.... That damn near sums up black consciousness.
 

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Thanks for the list. How about looking at it like this. How many prime numbers exist?

I think you could consider Marcus Garvey a prime number in terms of history.

You'd be hard pressed to name a Black movement AFTER the UNIA that didn't adopt some part of their model,strategy,actions.

The NOI, as revived by Elijah Muhammad was clearly influenced by the UNIA. Many of the movements of the 20th century were basically reviving Garvey-ite teachings. Inspired the formation of Rastafarianism, EVERY independence movement on the continent of Africa was impacted by Garvey from Ghana to South Africa , every pan african movement, inspired Malcolm, inspired Martin and Civil Rights Movement, inspired Black entrepreneurs.

Google any of the people.movements, leaders of movements mentioned in last paragraph and you will find quotes directly praising Garvey's work. Garvey is mentioned several times in the intro to "Message To the Black Man" for example.
 

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It's crazy how much the NOI & Elijah in general were influenced by Garvey and The UNIA. Elijah actually use to have the first NOI meetings in the UNIA town hall. Marcus Garvey's blueprint on empowerment and the angle he went at it has been use in a lot of different organizations. From Hitler to Ho chin mihn. The nation is structured identically like the UNIA except Elijah threw islam over it. The Noi had the MGT, Garvey had the Black Cross Nurses, both have universities, Eljah wrote a book message to the black man and Garvey had a news paper called The Blackman and both had a train militia.
 

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Not an argument, just a discussion.

I say from a national or global scale..it's Garvey and it's not even close

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The Origins of Ghana’s Iconic Black Star Line | Hakai Magazine

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Ghana launched the Black Star Line in 1957, and added the company’s symbol—a black star—to its national flag. Background photo by Peter Treanor/Alamy Stock Photo

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The Origins of Ghana’s Iconic Black Star Line
The focal point of the African nation’s flag was inspired by the name of its first shipping line.


by Amorina Kingdon
Published February 3, 2017
Ghana was celebrating in 1957. The people had formed an independent nation after more than a century under colonial rule. Among the newborn country’s ventures was a government-owned shipping company, the Black Star Line (BSL). It was not the first shipping line to bear that name.

American civil rights leader Marcus Garvey started a shipping company called the Black Star Line in 1919, the name being a take on the White Star Line, which included the infamous RMS Titanic. Garvey’s vision was for a line owned and operated by black people that would link America, the Caribbean, and Africa, giving the people direct access to shipping and tourism opportunities that were largely off limits at the time. Initial financing was through affordably priced US $5 shares, and although the company’s first ships were in ill repair—and there were allegations of mismanagement, thievery, and sabotage on the ships during the company’s operation—the line managed to operate until 1922. It became a symbol of pride not only for African Americans, but also for black people at all ports of call.

When Ghana began its shipping venture nearly 40 years later the government named its fleet in honor of Garvey’s line and even added a black star to the center of the country’s new tricolor flag, with its yellow, green, and red stripes. The line’s initial plan was to run ships between Ghana and Europe, importing machinery, cement, and other cargo to Ghana and exporting Ghanaian produce such as cocoa beans.

The Volta River, pictured here, was the first ship to sail on Ghana’s BSL. It left Liverpool, England, in late November 1957, and arrived at Ghana’s Takoradi Harbour in early December. Eventually, BSL ships also traveled to North America and around the Mediterranean.

In the end, trade volumes didn’t justify the number and capacity of the BSL’s ships. The company began selling its fleet and exchanged its remaining four ships for smaller ones in 1993. The ships were eventually sold in the late 1990s, but the black star lives on. It still adorns Ghana’s flag, and the country’s national soccer club is nicknamed “the Black Stars” for the flag’s central feature, which is displayed on its uniforms.
 

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You can't deny the impact of Garvey.

There is a Bunch of Inspiration he inspired
Imo, not many lasting tangible things or movement


There are businesses that pop up today due to Elijah Muhammad.... Idk if you can say the same for Garvey. Plus, the amount of black gods Elijah produced
 

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Wasn't Booker T a inspiration to Garvey, and Booker T funded Garvey allowing him to travel around the US to spread his vision.

I do get your point. Even "prime numbers" like Marcus Garvey......or say a James Brown in music...did have people who influenced them.

I'm not as familiar with Washington's legacy and impact.



You mean Dubois hating them.

I believe that later in life, Dubois saw how Garvey and Washington were right in many ways.
 

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I do get your point. Even "prime numbers" like Marcus Garvey......or say a James Brown in music...did have people who influenced them.

I'm not as familiar with Washington's legacy and impact.





I believe that later in life, Dubois saw how Garvey and Washington were right in many ways.
Yeah with regard to Garvey and Booker T, Garvey basically took what Booker T was talking about and took it international with the concept of pan africanism and removing colonialism in Africa, where Booker T was mainly local and concentrated strictly on us african americans. So I can understand why Booker T would use his resources to give Garvey a platform, to take it further than even he had envisioned.

As for the c00n Dubois, yep later in his life after he did what he did to destroy Garvey, publicly talk down Booker T, he realized appealing to whites and his integrationishm was a failure. After the did all the dirt he did. Shameful, unfortunately his integrationism/white acceptance string seems to thrive today in white liberal and black intellectual circles.
 
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