Einstein's Letter on God Uncovered

[NoMayo15]

Well I'm speaking to a HL audience, i guess.... is the reason for the first assumption. Its what I read and determine as the majority VP.

Haha, very well, I'll give you that.

Would? What do you mean by would.. do you mean if he were alive today? I don't think we can determine that. We only know his opinions before he died.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Tried to edit it, but oh well.

And sure, we don't know that for sure, but I think it's likely. He died in the 50's I think, so that's before we had a lot of the confirming evidence we have today for the Big Bang and Evolution. He might have still been a pantheist ... a very poetic position that I can understand ... but I think it's very unlikely he would have adopted a belief in a supernatural creator deity.

What do you make of the theistic scientist today? IT's considered illogical and unreasonable to even believe in any form of god. So what do you make of the logical people who see the possibility in that?

Well, it's a very small percentage and I mostly attribute it to the deep-seeded indoctrination that the major religions force upon people. Even with the science we have today, there are still things we don't know, and theism provides comfort to a lot of people. Just because someone has an advanced degree doesn't mean they think 'rationally' in every aspect of life.

 

[Type Username Here]

I'm not saying the Christian concept of God is wrong or right. I just get annoyed that when people think of God they immediately think of the church. And most atheist arguments tend to be against Christianity, at least in HL. God is often used as a synonym for the Christian God.

I expect you to deny this and try to twist the words some more but you're also the same guy who thinks every untrue statement is a lie so your opinion loses weight in my eyes by the character.

Why do you capitalize the word "god"?

You said the Christian concept of god was a problem, why is that?

 

[Blackking]

i dont know how people can say atheists are extreme for rejecting the belief in god, when following a religion such as christianity means that you reject every one elses god

"put no other gods before me". if you are a christian you are discounting every single 'god' the human race has ever produced. and yet atheists reject one more god than a christian does, right? i feel like its not as big of a difference as its perceived to be

You're correct, it's not that much of a difference. And being atheist isn't extreme - just based on nothing other than being too closed minded to be agnostic.

The difference may be subtle but subtle action can eventually lead to larger impacts in our small world.... and a subtle difference of opinion or idea can mean huge differences in philosophical standpoints. .

 

[Type Username Here]

You're correct, it's not that much of a difference. And being atheist isn't extreme - just based on nothing other than being too closed minded to be agnostic.

The difference may be subtle but subtle action can eventually lead to larger impacts in our small world.... and a subtle difference of opinion or idea can mean huge differences in philosophical standpoints. .

Are you agnostic?

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Why do you capitalize the word "god"?

You said the Christian concept of god was a problem, why is that?

God/god. Who cares? When I refer to God I'm referring to the possibility of the giver of all life, not a god like the Greeks had which were like humans with super powers.

And I never said the Christian concept of God was a problem. I said the assumption that God must mean the Christian concept of God is a problem. Because when I speak of "God" I have a different idea.

 

[Type Username Here]

God/god. Who cares? When I refer to God I'm referring to the possibility of the giver of all life, not a god like the Greeks had which were like humans with super powers.

Why couldn't god be a human with super powers?

And I never said the Christian concept of God was a problem. I said the assumption that God must mean the Christian concept of God is a problem. Because when I speak of "God" I have a different idea.

What's your idea? Last time I asked you this you essentially described pantheism. Are you a pantheist?

 

[NoMayo15]

Are you agnostic?

He's too closed-minded.

 

[Type Username Here]

He's too closed-minded.

Now, let's give him a chance to response.

He might be agnostic.

@Blackking

Do you accept the possibility that no deity exists?

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Why couldn't god be a human with super powers?



What's your idea? Last time I asked you this you essentially described pantheism. Are you a pantheist?

If God was a human with super powers he wouldn't be God, he would be a human with super powers.

I'm not familiar with pantheism. I don't know much about any of these religions or movements. I wasn't raised religious but recently I started to develop an idea about the possibilities. I'm not really interested in labels but if that's how you wanna classify that's how you can classify me. I'm not claiming anything though.

 

[Blackking]

Haha, very well, I'll give you that.



Yeah, that's what I meant. Tried to edit it, but oh well.

And sure, we don't know that for sure, but I think it's likely. He died in the 50's I think, so that's before we had a lot of the confirming evidence we have today for the Big Bang and Evolution. He might have still been a pantheist ... a very poetic position that I can understand ... but I think it's very unlikely he would have adopted a belief in a supernatural creator deity.



Well, it's a very small percentage and I mostly attribute it to the deep-seeded indoctrination that the major religions force upon people. Even with the science we have today, there are still things we don't know, and theism provides comfort to a lot of people. Just because someone has an advanced degree doesn't mean they think 'rationally' in every aspect of life.

I can see him being an atheist. When ever he did speak to religious people he went very hard and harsh - even if he didn't out right say there's no God.

When scientist are polled the questions are usually geared a certain way. But yeah most biologist don't believe in God. Even more physicist don't believe in God. But there are people who are intelligent, rational, and logical who believe in something even if they don't believe in religion. The majority of people who make it possible for us to communicate in this way online... or who make our daily lives easier - believe in God. Most mathematicians and people how deal with statistically data believe in some thing more that physical matter in the universe.

I'm just saying how do we determine what's logical? It's been said that a belief in anything even related to a god is illogical and contradicts what we now have proven to be untrue. I say the Big Bang doesn't show no purpose or intelligence in the universe. And I say that if very intelligence and logical people believe then how is it illogical? To say there's no intelligence or design to the universe is making a statement that goes against every way we use reason in our daily lives.

 

[Type Username Here]

If God was a human with super powers he wouldn't be God, he would be a human with super powers.
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Is this a fact?

What makes you sure?

Why couldn't god be a human with super powers?

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Is this a fact?

What makes you sure?

Why couldn't god be a human with super powers?

For the same reason a horse can't be a human with super powers. It's not a human to begin with. Otherwise it wouldn't be a horse.

 

[Type Username Here]

For the same reason a horse can't be a human with super powers. It's not a human to begin with. Otherwise it wouldn't be a horse.

Yes, but we know what humans and horses are because we can observe both, but how do you observe god to make sure he isn't a human with super powers?

 

[Blackking]

Now, let's give him a chance to response.

He might be agnostic.

@Blackking

Do you accept the possibility that no deity exists?

@nomayo 15

I accept all possibilities. lol, I guess I would be foolish to say that I'm not agnostic because, I just said that atheist are too closed minded to be agnostic... but I'm not.

That statement was my opinon. And imo atheism shuts out possibilities. Agnosticism opens up those possibilities. Theism realizes those possibilities. ........


And theism should, but rarely does, leave room for this - Do you accept the possibility that no deity exists?

Then again Muslims are one of the groups that brought the world to a higher level of thinking in the first place, so it's natural for a follower of Islam to think extensively about these things

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Yes, but we know what humans and horses are because we can observe both, but how do you observe god to make sure he isn't a human with super powers?

Replace "horse" with "centaur" and read it again.