Eight Year Old Boy takes medication to delay puberty as he ponders his gender

[Blackking]

Please learn how to conduct proper flow of conversation by not bending my words to suit your point...not that you made one....additionally, please refrain from questioning my intellect when you're the one displaying the lack thereof....trying to force your words on others and name call isn't going to get you far...we don't have to agree but you can keep all the name calling slick shyt and pissing contest nonsense to the other penis-havers in on this site...im not trying to win an argument...just here to post my thoughts on topics of interest

moving along to get to the meat of whatever it was i think you were trying to say

i really didn't infuse much of my personal feelings into my original post....however, reading the article let me know two things that aren't opinion oriented....the boy does associate girl clothing with being "right for him" ...so yes, he does want to be a girl and wearing girl clothing supports that...DUH....additionally his mutilation attempt stems from his childs brain associating his sex organ with not being on the "proper" body that he believes he should have....therefore deducing he needed to get it off him....that doesn't automatically mean he's been abused

what you failed to realize in your hasty attempt to say something smart back is that there are plenty of holes in the back story that aren't fully supported by fact...so my assumption could be right or wrong just like yours can...deal with it

His anger isn't directed at you, he is in a verbal battle with more common HL posters and is upset u ? his points.

however, in this case the parents did some usually irresponsible things. Them simply being gay isn't the issue. Also,

even recognizing the differences does not explain how the child made the logical leap to cutting his penis off to become like a girl..

 

[ExpensiveThrillz]

sohh you're a female?

nope....i stay poppin them hormone blockers and don't have a gender

dare to be different, brehs

You are yapping and nothing is coming out to get to a real point. Unfortunately your lack of comprehending the definition of self-harm is the reason you can't and will not address the issue of abuse. No need to write a book on it, It proves you can't accept the fact of the real problem in this article, the real issue in this debate. What logical sense does it make for him to attack his penis in self harm if it doesn't associate with abuse?

umm wtf are you even talking about? i stated my points without having to personally address each poster who i don't agree with individually and managed to do it respectfully...a foreign concept to you...apparently

lol @ you clinging to some notion about abuse that's not even documented in the original article ...that's your projection about what you think may have prompted his mutilation attempt....not fact...you have no proof...you need more people!

sorry you want to steamroll everyone with your opinion ...but at the end of day we dont know these folks or their history and unlike yourself, im willing to admit that his issues could or could not be direct results of some form of mental or physical abuse he's suffered

anywho you seem like the type to keep up a pointless rant for no reason other than to support your opinion at any cost so i'll bow out gracefully now and wish you a great day cuz i'm not interested in that....just want to kick my thoughts out in the open like everyone else without having to undermine or attack others to do so

 

[ExpensiveThrillz]

I'm not a parent. And I do agree that kids learn this on their own, but it says he was 7 when he threatened this. I just simply find it hard to believe its possible for a child to have that type of understanding at that age without priming.

I'm also not a parent and understand that limits my ability to fully understand the role but why would his mothers prime him for gender mutilation.....perhaps i'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting

 

[Blackking]

From the APA

59 physically abused 5–13 yr olds demonstrated a significantly higher incidence of self-destructive behavior than 2 control groups of nonabused children, 30 neglected and 30 normal. The self-destructive behavior, including suicide attempts and self-mutilation, was potentiated by interrelated variables operating in the abused child and his environment. (26 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)

 

[Blackking]

There have been extensive studies done on this....... so while I can see why in first read of the article, most post in here should be considered gigantic leaps in logic.......


They aren't.


well, they probably are, but incidentally the research back them.

 

[PartyHeart]

I'm also not a parent and understand that limits my ability to fully understand the role but why would his mothers prime him for gender mutilation.....perhaps i'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting

I am not saying they primed him for gender mutilation, I am saying it is not out of the realm of possibility that this child was abused, emotionally or physically and possibly in the context of his gender.

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

mental illness....can't see how this isn't diagnosed as such

putting hormone blockers in an 11 year old boy?

I bet if a family put hormones to prevent their effeminate young boy to make him more masculine and prevent him from becoming a homosexual there would be some sort of issue and the government would block it right? but the opposite is okay?

Spot on. The fakkitization of this world is disgusting man.

 

[thekingsmen]

umm wtf are you even talking about? i stated my points without having to personally address each poster who i don't agree with individually and managed to do it respectfully...a foreign concept to you...apparently

lol @ you clinging to some notion about abuse that's not even documented in the original article ...that's your projection about what you think may have prompted his mutilation attempt....not fact...you have no proof...you need more people!

sorry you want to steamroll everyone with your opinion ...but at the end of day we dont know these folks or their history and unlike yourself, im willing to admit that his issues could or could not be direct results of some form of mental or physical abuse he's suffered

anywho you seem like the type to keep up a pointless rant for no reason other than to support your opinion at any cost so i'll bow out gracefully now and wish you a great day cuz i'm not interested in that....just want to kick my thoughts out in the open like everyone else without having to undermine or attack others to do so

Article stated and quote "At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder". The psychiatrist diagnosed the kid based off that theory alone. There were no test taken of the kid by the Psy doctor. Not only didn't the Psy doctor didn't look into the definition of genital mutilation as self harm because the self harm definition explains origin of abuse.

This is where you don't get it. The article never questions this nor speaks to a professional who actually knows the definition of self harm. I'm not stream rolling anyone. I know this is what is going down for this kid because he isn't the only one with that same problem. This proves the direction of the article will never question the real issue. Why was this kid adopted? Why was he adopted to a same sex couple instead of a opposite sex couple? What happened during the time he was at the foster care?

Do you know how many kids are physically, mentally and sexual abused in foster care?

 

[ExpensiveThrillz]

There have been extensive studies done on this....... so while I can see why in first read of the article, most post in here should be considered gigantic leaps in logic.......


They aren't.


well, they probably are, but incidentally the research back them.

I don't disagree at all w/ studies on self mutilation and its links to abuse...however with the details posted from the article coupled with my understanding and opinions....i don't think this child's attempt at self mutilation on his sex organ is about lingering abuse issues (it could be...and im fully aware of that as well) i just don't think that was his end game....however he gathered his understanding of the link between his physical self/physical body vs. his preferred mental image ...he came to the conclusion that no penis = no more problem.... dont think he was trying to harm himself...it was more of a child's take on solving a "problem" the best way he could

I am not saying they primed him for gender mutilation, I am saying it is not out of the realm of possibility that this child was abused, emotionally or physically and possibly in the context of his gender.

gotcha and i agree...its certainly helpful to know more about his background and if abuse has occurred at any point

 

[Type Username Here]

How though? I could understand if there was another female child in the house around the same age (perhaps they would have taken baths together). But it is just him and his adopted lesbian parents.

Also, even recognizing the differences does not explain how the child made the logical leap to cutting his penis off to become like a girl. I respect your opinion in this because you're a parent, but it just doesn't sit right with me to think the story is being told entirely how it played out.

When you become a parent you'll realize that a child has no concept of privacy. They well barge in at different time and they will see the difference in the organs. He has a penis , he goes into the room and sees someone else who doesn't have the same thing. Could have seen it on other children. I don't understand how that is relevant. Ask your parents and they will tell you that you did the same thing.

That being said, your second paragraph is spot on.

 

[Type Username Here]

hold up.... unless someone explains it to them kids have no clue until they are much older that girls have a vagina and boys have a penis. gender id starts at around 2-3 years old, but even then it takes them a few years to figure out that's what defines the difference between boys and girls. this is not something they figure out on their own.

if that boy has known from a very young age that having a penis would make him a boy and he hated it so much that he wanted to mutilate himself, something else was going on. i'm not saying they molested that boy, but they definitely didn't do his developmental process any favors.

Kids barge in and see things. It happens everywhere on this planet. Ask your parents and you will realize that you most likely did the same thing.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Good fukking lord. I actually don't have a problem with the transgender community, but this is so asinine it's unreal. While living with lesbian parents on its own may not present this kind of issue, you'd have to be willfully ignorant of the possibility that these women were indoctrinating him with the whole "gender is only a social construct" thing his whole life up until this point, maybe even teaching their son to hate the male gender by throwing around sexist terms like "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchy." I remember my women's studies professor in college had a son that just so "happened to love wearing dresses and dancing to Shakira all the time" instead of doing things that boys traditionally like to do. I couldn't help but think of what a convenient fukking thing it was for her to have a kid like this.

 

[ExpensiveThrillz]

Article stated and quote "At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder". The psychiatrist diagnosed the kid based off that theory alone. There were no test taken of the kid by the Psy doctor. Not only didn't the Psy doctor didn't look into the definition of genital mutilation as self harm because the self harm definition explains origin of abuse.

This is where you don't get it. The article never questions this nor speaks to a professional who actually knows the definition of self harm. I'm not stream rolling anyone. I know this is what is going down for this kid because he isn't the only one with that same problem. This proves the direction of the article will never question the real issue. Why was this kid adopted? Why was he adopted to a same sex couple instead of a opposite sex couple? What happened during the time he was at the foster care?

Do you know how many kids are physically, mentally and sexual abused in foster care?

I again ask you not to insinuate that i'm daft or somehow incapable of understanding simply for not agreeing fully or partially with your viewpoint....you're more than welcome to have one and i even dig where you're heading since you decided to post a mostly neutral post...however you're still responding with assumption when no clear facts are given either way

are you aware? i'm fully involved in a local non profits mentoring program that pairs young children in the welfare/foster care system with adult mentors to help them overcome the abundant and often tragic horrors of their situation and station in life....im irritated i even put that personal bit out in the air because i do it for a purpose not for accolades but i offer it up as proof to you and others on here that you shouldn't assume you know about folks that you don't know about...thus my request for a respectful form of conversations...we can shoot the shyt all day so long as we can respectfully agree to disagree

 

[PartyHeart]

When you become a parent you'll realize that a child has no concept of privacy. They well barge in at different time and they will see the difference in the organs. He has a penis , he goes into the room and sees someone else who doesn't have the same thing. Could have seen it on other children. I don't understand how that is relevant. Ask your parents and they will tell you that you did the same thing.

That being said, your second paragraph is spot on.

I never threatened mutilation on myself. Most children don't, even with exhibiting so-called "tomboyish" for girls or "sissy" behaviors for boys. You don't see any glaring red flags in that?

 

[PartyHeart]

Good fukking lord. I actually don't have a problem with the transgender community, but this is so asinine it's unreal. While living with lesbian parents on its own may not present this kind of issue, you'd have to be willfully ignorant of the possibility that these women were indoctrinating him with the whole "gender is only a social construct" thing his whole life up until this point, maybe even teaching their son to hate the male gender by throwing around sexist terms like "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchy." I remember my women's studies professor in college had a son that just so "happened to love wearing dresses and dancing to Shakira all the time" instead of doing things that boys traditionally like to do. I couldn't help but think of what a convenient fukking thing it was for her to have a kid like this.

Everything about this story is quite the opposite of every part of the teaching that gender is only a social construct. Gender as a social construct theory is purely about the fluidity of behavior and has nothing to do with physicality.