Eight Year Old Boy takes medication to delay puberty as he ponders his gender

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Agreed. I was merely addressing PartyHeart question about how the kid learned that a penis belongs to a boy. They observe and begin to understand things on their own sometimes. It doesn't automatically imply anything. If a child can understand that a certain face belongs to a caregiver and feels comfort about that recognition at 6-8 months old, is it that far off to think the boy can learn about sexual organ differences at whatever age he did? A baby may not understand the biological and social role of his or her mother but it understands her face is different than someone else's.

Only point I was trying to make. It doesn't factor to whatever else happened.

it's not just reproductive organs though. my kid was at a school where there were two other kids who had very ambiguous appearances. in one situation a young white boy's parents let their son grow out his hair very long, to the point he looked like a girl. it confused my kid because they associated long hair with girls, but they also know that girls use a different bathroom than boys. so she noticed the difference and hit me with that 'why do they let that girl go to the boy's bathroom?' :dwillhuh:

in the other case there was a black girl whose lgbt parents always kept their daughter's hair cut short and always sent her to school in jeans and a t shirt. never any girly clothing. again, my kid hit with how is she a girl if she looks like a boy and dresses like a boy. :mindblown:


these are very difficult discussions to have with a child, because their comprehension skills aren't very developed. you also don't want to confuse them with gender ambiguous explanations. but you also have to keep in mind whatever you say to them will likely be spread around the class to the other kids. so i first addressed the question by stating how most girls and boys look and dress. then ended it with you can tell who is a girl or a boy by who the teacher lets go to the girl or boys bathroom...but not everyone is the same and sometimes you can't tell by the way they dress or their hair. i wasn't completely satisfied with my answer, but i knew i would have more opportunity to explain further down the line.

the one thing i can say is being a parent is the most difficult responsibility in the world. i can't imagine the challenges and the internal struggles lgbt parents have to deal with when their kids start asking them similar questions.
 

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One of them just celebrated their bar mitzvah, it even shows it in the picture. Do you know how old you have to be to celebrate a bar mitzvah?

Fact of the matter is, the parents, by your admission and the article's admission, have raised several normal kids that have not had any of these issues.

"Thomas" is just a lil weirdo and would probably be the way he is even without his parents. It says several times over that he is socially off when compared to those around him. If he is adopted and wasn't done so at a very young, infant age, he probably has a lot of baggage attached that does not come from his lesbian moms at all. There's no telling what he's been through.

You all are too quick to hate and judge on here. Y'all should really calm down and worry about yourselves because nothing you even type makes logical sense.

The article doesn't mention that the older brothers live with the parents. Also if the 2 women married in 1990 but the pic is at bar mitvah recently, questions who is the real parent in the situation?
 

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I turned pictures off after some other threads so I don't see the pictures you're speaking of.



The idea that because one child in a family is not abused that no other child couldn't be more unfounded of a statement.



So you are agreeing that there is a possibility of abuse then. You just don't like that I am not foolishly excluding the parents from it.



Who is hating or judging? :what:
You have to be responding to another poster but quoting me because I've never let on any type of hate for anybody. I'm worried about the child, period.
1. Sweetheart, not gonna argue with you cause you've already communicated that you didn't even read the whole article + the pictures, meaning that you responded with a half ass idea and now your probably just sticking to such even without the facts to back you up. So you get this post of logic, if you don't want it, fine. :ehh:

2. I'm saying they don't have a pattern of abuse that has shown itself through their other children. That's all I'm saying. You on the other hand are making unsupported ideals off nothing other than the fact that you think they are sexually off. When this happens with a straight couple (ie. Princess Boy, the boy who wore dresses with his father) everyone says the male figure needs to step up, no one ever brings up molestation or any kind of ill will, but because these women are lesbian, all of a sudden, abuse is happening. I think my stance here is a bit more level than your imagination of what has happened amongst strangers you've never met so your point has no basis.

3. It's not that you aren't excluding the parents. It's that you have placed the blame on the parents without considering all of the other unbiased possibilities which leads me to believe your bigotry got you clouded.

4. You may not be outright "hating" them, but so far nothing you have typed about them or that child has been logically based. Just speculative and imaginative biased opinions. Straight couples make trans/homosexual babies every day. None of that sexuality shyt has anything to do with anything. Maybe that lil boy is just fukked up and you should leave it at that instead of reaching and stretching.

The article doesn't mention that the older brothers live with the parents. Also if the 2 women married in 1990 but the pick is at bar mitvah recently, questions who is the real parent in the situation?
Well, if someone just had their bar mitzvah, meaning they are 13, don't you think they would live with their parents?

And their parenting style isn;t any of my concern. I'm pretty sure their are people who let their kids pick out their own clothes/sex and their kids chose "gender-appropriate" things and their natural gender. What's your point about their parenting style unless you believe that letting your kids pick their clothes = raising a flaming homo. Again, you logically make no sense.
 
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Well, if someone just had their bar mitzvah, meaning they are 13, don't you think they would live with their parents?

And their parenting style isn;t any of my concern. I'm pretty sure their are people who let their kids pick out their own clothes/sex and their kids chose "gender-appropriate" things and their natural gender. What's your point about their parenting style unless you believe that letting your kids pick their clothes = raising a flaming homo. Again, you logically make no sense.

1. 2 Lesbians can't have children...It takes a male involvement. Where is the male parent in this?
2. The article doesn't say he lives with them....therefor he may live with his father or another parent.
3. Kids choosing their sex is what the problem is.....you are born female or male....people are born short, tall, fat, skinny, ugly, etc. Why should the kid choose something different?
4. Some people who want to be parents just aren't good at it. We know parents who have the nurture and nature part, some parents have non of that.
 

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1. Sweetheart, not gonna argue with you cause you've already communicated that you didn't even read the whole article + the pictures, meaning that you responded with a half ass idea and now your probably just sticking to such even without the facts to back you up. So you get this post of logic, if you don't want it, fine. :ehh:

Nowhere did i ever say I didn't read the article dear. You are so busy searching for something to argue about and be offended by that you didn't even read my post correctly.

When an article puts "older boys and grandchildren" in the same sentence, does not mention the ages of those children, and entirely fails to mention the older children's responses to the situation it is fair to draw conclusions. It is only a person looking to nitpick and find something to argue about that would suggest such a conclusion (that the other boys do not live there) is unreasonable and, even more laughable, fueled by hate.

2. I'm saying they don't have a pattern of abuse that has shown itself through their other children. That's all I'm saying. You on the other hand are making unsupported ideals off nothing other than the fact that you think they are sexually off. When this happens with a straight couple (ie. Princess Boy, the boy who wore dresses with his father) everyone says the male figure needs to step up, no one ever brings up molestation or any kind of ill will, but because these women are lesbian, all of a sudden, abuse is happening. I think my stance here is a bit more level than your imagination of what has happened amongst strangers you've never met so your point has no basis.

I never participated in any discussion about a Princess Boy so please go find the posters who participated who you have pent up frustration against and quote them. Thanks.

3. It's not that you aren't excluding the parents. It's that you have placed the blame on the parents without considering all of the other unbiased possibilities which leads me to believe your bigotry got you clouded.

I never once singled out the parents, I have said each and every time abuse and used the words possibly. Again, you are searching for something that is not there and then in desperation claiming it is.

4. You may not be outright "hating" them, but so far nothing you have typed about them or that child has been logically based. Just speculative and imaginative biased opinions. Straight couples make trans/homosexual babies every day. None of that sexuality shyt has anything to do with anything. Maybe that lil boy is just fukked up and you should leave it at that instead of reaching and stretching.

Please quote any of my posts that say this is happening because the child's parents aren't straight. I legitimately feel like you quoted the wrong person, because your posts to me have been nothing short of nonsensical when compared to what I've actually stated.

Well, if someone just had their bar mitzvah, meaning they are 13, don't you think they would live with their parents?

Again, I didn't even know about the bat mitzvah until you mentioned it. Pictures are not on display. If you would read posts fully and comprehend them you would have seen me type that in my last post to you.

And their parenting style isn;t any of my concern.

When it could be abusive its not a concern of yours but me drawing a reasonable conclusion based on the stated information and the way it was stated makes me a biased bigot? Yeah...pretty sure this will be my last post to you.

I'm pretty sure their are people who let their kids pick out their own clothes/sex and their kids chose "gender-appropriate" things and their natural gender. What's your point about their parenting style unless you believe that letting your kids pick their clothes = raising a flaming homo. Again, you logically make no sense.

Now I am sure you are quoting the wrong person. I certainly never said anything about gender-appropriate behavior. In fact I defended the idea that if it was simply behavioral that this would be an entirely different thing when that other poster brought up gender as a social construct theory. But that is not the same thing that is happening in this case. This child threatened to mutilate his genitals and you are telling me I'm a biased for saying something seems afoul in the situation.
 

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the parents are obviously contributing and maybe even promoting his gender confusion. the most troubling part is who knows how long it's been going on. i have a very strong opinion that if they've been allowing him to "find his way" through his gender confusion then they have to take some of the blame. parents don't let kids "find their way" through things like this. you clearly define gender roles early on to help avoid these problems.
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This kid was badly brutalized to the point where he developed a speech impediment. Self mutilation and self hatred, I believe, are his cries for help. The parents are exploiting his cries for help to push their own pro-gay, pro-transgender agenda. The parents are justifying their own homosexuality by pumping this kid with body altering chemicals and claiming its normal. Putting a dress on the kid and pumping him with drugs isn't the proper way to deal with his past abuse, it's only a coverup of the symptoms, like putting a band-aid on cancer.




If American became like those other societies of past and present where wearing a dress-like clothing style was not seen as gay, and this story still happened in this exact manner, if it would still be tremendously fukked up.
Traditional or religious garments are very neutral in appearance in comparison to modern "dresses". Traditional/religious garments don't emphasize femininity: they don't reveal cleavage or emphasize the hips or tighten up at the butt like modern dresses do. The Bedouins who wear "dresses" do it for non-sexualized reasons, for example, wearing thick layers of clothing help keep out extreme heat, extreme cold, and sand for people who live in the most rugged parts of the Arabian desert. Also, people who wear traditional garments aren't confused about their gender and they certainly don't medicate themselves with gender blocking drugs everytime they put on a "dress".
 

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This kid was badly brutalized to the point where he developed a speech impediment. Self mutilation and self hatred, I believe, are his cries for help. The parents are exploiting his cries for help to push their own pro-gay, pro-transgender agenda. The parents are justifying their own homosexuality by pumping this kid with body altering chemicals and claiming its normal. Putting a dress on the kid and pumping him with drugs isn't the proper way to deal with his past abuse, it's only a coverup of the symptoms, like putting a band-aid on cancer.





Traditional or religious garments are very neutral in appearance in comparison to modern "dresses". Traditional/religious garments don't emphasize femininity: they don't reveal cleavage or emphasize the hips or tighten up at the butt like modern dresses do. The Bedouins who wear "dresses" do it for non-sexualized reasons, for example, wearing thick layers of clothing help keep out extreme heat, extreme cold, and sand for people who live in the most rugged parts of the Arabian desert. Also, people who wear traditional garments aren't confused about their gender and they certainly don't medicate themselves with gender blocking drugs everytime they put on a "dress".

They still fit the physical attributes of a dress do they not? Your missing my point about why I brought that up.

It merely shows that the parents are just as guilty of gender association and manipulation that they claim to go against.

Imagine this scenario, if a male is raised in isolation and one day he wakes up and there is a dress, pants and a shirt and a wetsuit for him to choose from. He has no concept of gender, sexuality, social norms, gender related fashion, etc. He for some reason chooses the flower sundress, is he gay or transgendered in your view?

I'd argue that he isn't because he has no reason to identify that piece of clothing with a gender. My examples prove it. Plenty of cultures around the world have men wear skirts, dresses or something resembling what we in American would consider eliminate clothing. It doesn't make it so.
 

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They still fit the physical attributes of a dress do they not? Your missing my point about why I brought that up.

It merely shows that the parents are just as guilty of gender association and manipulation that they claim to go against.

Imagine this scenario, if a male is raised in isolation and one day he wakes up and there is a dress, pants and a shirt and a wetsuit for him to choose from. He has no concept of gender, sexuality, social norms, gender related fashion, etc. He for some reason chooses the flower sundress, is he gay or transgendered in your view?

I'd argue that he isn't because he has no reason to identify that piece of clothing with a gender. My examples prove it. Plenty of cultures around the world have men wear skirts, dresses or something resembling what we in American would consider eliminate clothing. It doesn't make it so.
I get what you are saying and agree. This has nothing to do with his dress though.

Lil dude just feels like a girl. :russ: And therefore, he wants to wear girl stuff. :yeshrug: He could very well, "like girls" or not like anyone at all, but just feel like a girl on the in/outside. A bunch of fukkery in my personal opinion, but that may be the case for him.

This has been happening for thousands of years, even in places with strong homophobic backgrounds. See "Eunuchs". :yeshrug:
 

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it will go unanswered though because root problems are never addressed just symptoms

I answered the question thoroughly. It was asked by a person who doesn't have children so she doesn't understand how children learn basic things. Realizing that you have differences to others is something children learn very young. Any parent worth a damn knows this to be true.

Everyone who Cosign it probably don't have children or are not in their children's life on a steady basis. Children are naturally curious, barge into bathrooms and rooms when parents are nude/changing/showering. If you ask your parents I guarantee you were very likely to have done the same thing.

Her point about the mutilation stands as something I agree with I just don't understand what the first part has to do with the second.
 
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