Dune 2 - (March 1, 2024)

[Jazzy B.]

Better than the first movie but really it's forgettable.

The first hour was PAINFUL to sit through.

The movie needed STRONGER Actors especially for the Paul character. The actor just couldn't memorably convey his internal struggle of what he will become.

You get the feeling another director would have made this a memorable dramatic epic.

Everything James Cameron's Avatar series is bashed for this movie/series is praised for

 

[010101]

Better than the first movie but really it's forgettable.

The first hour was PAINFUL to sit through.

The movie needed STRONGER Actors especially for the Paul character. The actor just couldn't memorably convey his internal struggle of what he will become.

You get the feeling another director would have made this a memorable dramatic epic.

Everything James Cameron's Avatar series is bashed for this movie/series is praised for

they are high off the image of the white savior space colonialist HA*

 

[Jazzy B.]

well have to disagree

this isnt "white savior" at all - even the first movie Paul doesnt know his potential and rejects what his purpose is -

and only a surface reading from a contemporary perspective would call this movie "white savior" becasue the nature of our culture currently has you viewing things thru that lens

and this is the whole point of Dune - the story of Dune isnt about a savior at all its about peoples propensity to reduce things to their immediate needs or have such tunnel vision that they do more harm than good that often they speak and act more out of ignorance rather than actual TRUE knowledge. Dune is about the bias of "knowledge" and the nature of power and leadership and the danger in following a specific ideal to the exclusion of others because supposedly you "know" things..

Cacs coming into an enslaved non cac area (run by cacs) and then becoming holy figures which causes an emancipation ISN'T a white savior story?

 

[HabitualChiller]

Cacs coming into an enslaved non cac area (run by cacs) and then becoming holy figures which causes an emancipation ISN'T a white savior story?

The main character could've been a nikka from Space Nigeria, and the Fremen still would've followed him if he and his mother fit the prophecy.

 

[CHICAGO]

THIS WAS EPIC

LIVED UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS
AND THEN SOME.

YOU CAN SEE HIM LETTING
THE POWER TAKE OVER AND CONSUME HIM.

HES GONNA BE A TYRANT IN THE NEXT FILM.





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[shonuff]

Cacs coming into an enslaved non cac area (run by cacs) and then becoming holy figures which causes an emancipation ISN'T a white savior story?

well a few things

one its space 10,000 years in another time - they are people who have no concept of a "white savior" or anything dealing with the racial politics/lens that we apply to it

second - people seem to forget that this story of Paul going to some desert planet of people that lived on it - was pretty much ALL white people all the time - take a look at the sci fi from the 1960s when it was written - white people - the movie they made in 1984? nary a black or brown face anywhere among the Freemen - in fact the black people that you DO see in the 1984 DUNE are part of the Emprerors group.....

thirdly - Paul isnt a savior - rewatch the movie and try not to incorporate the VERY recent variation that Villueve made by making the peopel of Dune "brown" ( which is a by product of our cultural obession with identity politik in our media for the purposes of convincing the media public that they are "progressive' even though the majority of shyt they have in media is still us playing stereotypical themes stories and roles ( watch American Fiction which really is the better movie than DUNE )

you quickly realize he isnt a white savior at all -

now if you actually read the book he is anything BUT a savior and his arc isnt a pleasant one - also if you read the book its more a commentary on people and their insistance on claiming they "know" something and doing and saying shyt but because they dont know everything they do fukked up shyt and make shyt miserable for others. DUNE ultimately isnt about a guy that is saving humanity but how humanity has to learn how to save itself .

yeh i know its a movie - yeh the movie has these brown people in it - but those brown people are beating the shyt out of the white ones ( literally the Harkonnens are pasty white and getting murked ) - so just goign by this film how can it be about a white savior when the group of people that he flees to ( he doesnt come to them from a position of dictating or informing them ) somehow those brown people go on to not just take over their planet but also beat the shyt out of other "white people"....but only because he sells all of them out.

that dont sound like a white savior narrative at all.

 

[Sad Bunny]

The way they be popping out from under the sand

 

[Tallac]

By the way, the score is amazing. Hans Zimmer killed it.
Excellent movie, I can't wait for Part 3. The movie is almost 3 hrs, but it does not feel like it at all.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Cacs coming into an enslaved non cac area (run by cacs) and then becoming holy figures which causes an emancipation ISN'T a white savior story?

Dune is an anti-white savior story you dummies. Paul uses religious fundamentalism to exploit them and use them to come to power

 

[Jazzy B.]

second - people seem to forget that this story of Paul going to some desert planet of people that lived on it - was pretty much ALL white people all the time - take a look at the sci fi from the 1960s when it was written - white people - the movie they made in 1984? nary a black or brown face anywhere among the Freemen - in fact the black people that you DO see in the 1984 DUNE are part of the Emprerors group.....

thirdly - Paul isnt a savior - rewatch the movie and try not to incorporate the VERY recent variation that Villueve made by making the peopel of Dune "brown" ( which is a by product of our cultural obession with identity politik in our media for the purposes of convincing the media public that they are "progressive' even though the majority of shyt they have in media is still us playing stereotypical themes stories and roles ( watch American Fiction which really is the better movie than DUNE )

I'm specifically talking about the two recent movies.

yeh i know its a movie - yeh the movie has these brown people in it - but those brown people are beating the shyt out of the white ones ( literally the Harkonnens are pasty white and getting murked ) - so just goign by this film how can it be about a white savior when the group of people that he flees to ( he doesnt come to them from a position of dictating or informing them ) somehow those brown people go on to not just take over their planet but also beat the shyt out of other "white people"....but only because he sells all of them out.

that dont sound like a white savior narrative at all.

I just told how it is in the post you quoted.

Cacs (Paul and his mother) coming into an enslaved non cac area (run by cacs), mastering the culture and then becoming holy figures which causes an emancipation that NEVER would have be achieved without their involvement.

That is white savior 101.

 

[Lootpack]

can anyone explain to me how they get off the worms and how

Spoiler

they get everybody on one worm at once? I guess they all jump on?

Spoiler

I was wondering about this too, lol.

Had Ferguson all cozied up in her little egg cot on the sandworm as well, essentially riding first class.

That had to have been some chaotic logistics.

 

[OnFleekTing]

Great Movie
Amazing series
Good acting

Where was the comedy? Gone
That's how you make perfect Scifi Hollywood

I don't see how you can't call this a white savior story
Just because Paul and his mother lady jessica are manipulating the fremen with all their BG manipulations and religious pandering doesn't change the fact that they are foreigners/outsiders who specifically come to this group for their utility and resources to benefit themselves primarily. They take this group that is supposedly superior to the majority of the galaxies best armies/soldiers and teaches them how to fight effectively and take down an empire.
If the Fremen could have come together on their own they likely could have done all of this without paul and jessica

Everything Paul does in the film is low key a manipulation. Its why Chani is so disgusted throughout the movie because she wants it to be real for the fremen and not just a fake prophecy

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Better than the first movie but really it's forgettable.

The first hour was PAINFUL to sit through.

The movie needed STRONGER Actors especially for the Paul character. The actor just couldn't memorably convey his internal struggle of what he will become.

You get the feeling another director would have made this a memorable dramatic epic.

Everything James Cameron's Avatar series is bashed for this movie/series is praised for

That's because its star wars for grown ups! Lol

Jake Sully has to become Navi. Learn to fly their dragons. Customs and language. Falls for native. Becomes the leader.

Paul. Become sand cac. Learn to ride their worms. Customs and language. Falls for native. Becomes the leader.

Yeah I know Avatar stole from every white savior story ever made. But these movies are all similar. But that don't mean they can't be enjoyed.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Better than the first movie but really it's forgettable.

The first hour was PAINFUL to sit through.

The movie needed STRONGER Actors especially for the Paul character. The actor just couldn't memorably convey his internal struggle of what he will become.

You get the feeling another director would have made this a memorable dramatic epic.

Everything James Cameron's Avatar series is bashed for this movie/series is praised for

You have to look at it as one movie. It literally picks up right Part 1 ended. Think of it as you are picking up at the second half of Act two.

 

[Alvin]

can anyone explain to me how they get off the worms and how

Spoiler

they get everybody on one worm at once? I guess they all jump on?

Dennis said that wasn't explained at all in the book so he had to think of a way.