Drake stans (aka b!tch n!ggas) are the worst stans in hip hop history...it's official. FACTS.

[duncanthetall]

Drake stans have killed this young brehs confidence in hip hop.

Now when old heads shyt on my time period, and the rap fans who share my generation, I can't say shyt.

They were 100% right from the start. In summary, yes, Drake stans are the worst stans hip hop has ever seen.

Drake stans have killed your confidence in hip hop?

Have you listened to mainstream radio in....ever? Do you see the type of bullshyt "hip hop" that gets passed around. shyt like French Montana and those rae srmmund fakkits. Drake isnt who you should be worrying about

 

[Awesome Wells]

I grew up in an era where a "emcee" with a writer is an R&B artist... there are hit makers, entertainers and lyricists... I don't care what comes of this, drake is no longer and should no longer be considered a lyricist. Does he make good music? yes, does he rap well? Yes, Is he a great performer? Yes... But they need to wipe his ass off them sprite quote cans cause how we even know if they are his quotes now? How you gonna put them on there with Nas and Rakim

Fact is we dont know the full story and due to lawyers and the amount of money involved we never will, but would you have the same perspective if you found out there was at least 3 more "reference" tracks out there? and 1 of them with zero writing credits?

But that's what I'm asking, when was he ever considered a "lyricist"?

He's going to say he is. But we can't fault him for that, that's kinda his job. No MC will ever say otherwise. The guy makes good music. Even Chuck D said so. And he thinks everything is weak. LOL!! But I don't think that makes him some great MC. I don't really care about Sprite ads. I'm more into the music. Advertising isn't my thing. He makes good music. He does the singing thing and all that, that's all I expect from him. I don't care about whether or not he believes he's the best. Or if people think he is. That's not my business. I'm just pointing out that he's no exception, with that creative process. It's the norm in music, not just Hip Hop.

 

[Goat poster]

i have no interest in reading the threads Billy was alluding to...(just looking at the titles was enough for me)...i'm not mad at em...to an extent.
most of them are younger than 25, trolling and all that shyt because they know how people will react..half of you are grown men and just about have a fit when someone says something you don't like about an artist you're fans of nevermind have allegations and threats against your favorite artist only for nothing to come of it (so far)

people already had plenty of reasons to cry about Drake so when this gave them more reason to, you know what was going to happen.
both fans and naysayers went into overdrive...that Napoleon, or whatever his name is hasn't slept in a week.

as annoying as it could be to read, people are going to claw, scratch, bite to defend their artists and cackle etc when they something goes for them.

Jay stans say Nas stand are the worst and vice versa, Nas fans used to HATE Dipset fans blah blah blah
stans of the above all clown Pac stans and EVERYBODY hates Eminem fans.
Lupe has his cult fanbase people clown..Kendricks fanbase is annoying.

...you're all at it.

and i would need more than one reference verse on a song that isn't a signature type song of theirs and some hear say of other references before i fully condemn a favorite of mine..shyt, hear say followed Ghostface around for years and i never believed it nor did i care.



also...honestly, would anybody stop listening to your favorite rappers music if it turned out he didn't write his own stuff ?

Please post the reference track of someone spitting rhymes for Ghost to mimic? How is one reference track not enough to see Drake as a fraud ? Yall want to hear QM spit the whole album before you think it's wrong?

Look, Drake is a good artist and makes accessible music that people enjoy, MOST OF US GET THAT.
I NEVER hated on Drake before.

All most of us are saying is DRAKE WILL NEVER BE A TOP TEIR MC IN OUR EYES. HE'S LOST THAT RESPECT.
He'll always have that asterisk


And could you guys PLEASE stop trying to throw LEGENDS under the bus to take up for Drake. On some " bu bu bu I heard so and so did it too" with NO EVIDENCE.

Shyt is not cool and mad disrespectful to the ACTUAL GREATS.

 

[meth68]

But that's what I'm asking, when was he ever considered a "lyricist"?

He's going to say he is. But we can't fault him for that, that's kinda his job. No MC will ever say otherwise. The guy makes good music. Even Chuck D said so. And he thinks everything is weak. LOL!! But I don't think that makes him some great MC. I don't really care about Sprite ads. I'm more into the music. Advertising isn't my thing. He makes good music. He does the singing thing and all that, that's all I expect from him. I don't care about whether or not he believes he's the best. Or if people think he is. That's not my business. I'm just pointing out that he's no exception, with that creative process. It's the norm in music, not just Hip Hop.

Outside of you and anyone else who respects real hip hop, yes he is/was considered a lyricist, that was flex's whole argument, it had nothing to do about QM writing for him, its the fact that so many people think Drake is top in the game with a pen. I find it to be hilarious and so do many others, which is why Flex used his platform to point out the obvious, hes not a fukkin lyricist, just dont tell his fans that, they will come at you like hes top 5

 

[mobbinfms]

As for you @Billy Ocean you backstabbing ass, Im giving you a grace period. Fix that shyt

 

[TEKBEATZ]

Not mad at this thread

 

[Tetris v2.0]

At the end of the day, it's a popularity contest. Especially for this generation who many feel like a win for Drake is a win for "their team" which makes no sense at all. Then you have the people that automatically hate everything Drake and cling to Meek as some saviour for the hood...

I remember the Jay vs Nas beef and how Nas was the underdog and tipped the scales by making an actual diss record. Jay fans, myself included, were mocking Nas for Carmen, for Oochie Wally, for being washed up.... But he silenced everybody with his record, and we were able to have an actual discussion for Takeover vs Ether that didn't HAVE to be some cheer leader shyt

Boards like SOHH and AHH were more niche, and most people on there had a general cultural understanding, nowadays lifestyle journalists, bloggers and anyone with a Twitter can chime in and saturate the shyt out of any discussion. Many of which are on payroll or have some invested interest in seeing this go one way over the other. It's wack as fukk tbh

 

[King Sun]

drake stans are the reason why hip hop is the way it is now.

 

[Haliax]

i like drake, fukk what hip hop fascists say.
all hail king Aubrey

 

[King Sun]

At the end of the day, it's a popularity contest. Especially for this generation who many feel like a win for Drake is a win for "their team" which makes no sense at all. Then you have the people that automatically hate everything Drake and cling to Meek as some saviour for the hood...

I remember the Jay vs Nas beef and how Nas was the underdog and tipped the scales by making an actual diss record. Jay fans, myself included, were mocking Nas for Carmen, for Oochie Wally, for being washed up.... But he silenced everybody with his record, and we were able to have an actual discussion for Takeover vs Ether that didn't HAVE to be some cheer leader shyt

Boards like SOHH and AHH were more niche, and most people on there had a general cultural understanding, nowadays lifestyle journalists, bloggers and anyone with a Twitter can chime in and saturate the shyt out of any discussion. Many of which are on payroll or have some invested interest in seeing this go one way over the other. It's wack as fukk tbh

 

[AMcV'88]

Please post the reference track of someone spitting rhymes for Ghost to mimic? How is one reference track not enough to see Drake as a fraud ? Yall want to hear QM spit the whole album before you think it's wrong?

Look, Drake is a good artist and makes accessible music that people enjoy, MOST OF US GET THAT.
I NEVER hated on Drake before.

All most of us are saying is DRAKE WILL NEVER BE A TOP TEIR MC IN OUR EYES. HE'S LOST THAT RESPECT.
He'll always have that asterisk


And could you guys PLEASE stop trying to throw LEGENDS under the bus to take up for Drake. On some " bu bu bu I heard so and so did it too" with NO EVIDENCE.

Shyt is not cool and mad disrespectful to the ACTUAL GREATS.

i'm saying if i put myself in the position of the fan who's favorite rapper was being called out for what Drakes being called out for and that reference verse leaked i wouldn't be so hasty and quick to go "welp! thats that" and toss my favorite on the scrapheap over that one verse...i would have my reservations but if say, the other two thats been spoken about come out then i'd be disappointed and put that asterisk you speak of next to the name.

the asterisk is pending basically.
those other references come out...then it's stamped.



i won't have to worry about that because most of my favorites lined their pockets ghostwriting for others

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Drake has the money and connections to twist arms and silence. He is a guaranteed hitmaker, an ambassador to one of the largest upward moving cities in North America, a major player in Apple's latest rollout, and a gateway drug to a generation of young people who live online seeking out "cool".... There's literally so much money to be made, that I'd be surprised if Meek is even ALLOWED to diss him without getting blackballed out the game. Do you really think they'll let Meek get disrespectful call Drake soft n play him like a bully? Meek ain't proved himself to be irreplaceable at this point. I think 50 was the last artist who they "tolerated" so long as the money came in, when it stopped, we all saw what happened

 

[mobbinfms]

But honestly, Marley Marl wrote hooks for Kane. Swizz, Timbaland and Omillio Sparks wrote hooks for Hov. Trackmasters wrote hooks for Nas. These are actual Top 10 MC's, and they got help. That's what music is. You bring people in to help or to catch vibes from. The very best to ever do it, have done this. So if someone like Drake does it, it shouldn't be seen any differently just because he's wildly successful. We don't like to admit this, but this has been going on forever, but without people being credited. Dude is giving people their credit for helping. A lot of the greats didn't say shyt about getting help. Haha. And we would've never known, if the people didn't come out and say something.

Like I said, I get that people don't like the dude. I'm not really into his music either. But he's not doing anything that basically everyone's done in Hip Hop. Since basically day one. If he didn't credit QM, I'd have an issue with it. But credibility takes a hit, usually when someone is frontin' and not being honest. He's listing his contributors. That's not exactly fraudulent.

Why do you keep mentioning hooks?
Drake took an entire verse that someone else wrote.
Obviously there's a big difference between the two.

 

[HearNoEvil]

Drake stans have killed your confidence in hip hop?

Have you listened to mainstream radio in....ever? Do you see the type of bullshyt "hip hop" that gets passed around. shyt like French Montana and those rae srmmund fakkits. Drake isnt who you should be worrying about

I never listen to the radio voluntarily breh, and really don't give a fukk what they put on there.

This Drake being a brand thing is on a whole other level of concerning. At least French Montana and the "rae srmmund fakkits" write their own shyt.

 

[Screwtape]

Please post the reference track of someone spitting rhymes for Ghost to mimic? How is one reference track not enough to see Drake as a fraud ? Yall want to hear QM spit the whole album before you think it's wrong?

Look, Drake is a good artist and makes accessible music that people enjoy, MOST OF US GET THAT.
I NEVER hated on Drake before.

All most of us are saying is DRAKE WILL NEVER BE A TOP TEIR MC IN OUR EYES. HE'S LOST THAT RESPECT.
He'll always have that asterisk


And could you guys PLEASE stop trying to throw LEGENDS under the bus to take up for Drake. On some " bu bu bu I heard so and so did it too" with NO EVIDENCE.

Shyt is not cool and mad disrespectful to the ACTUAL GREATS.

i cosign every single word here. Honestly couldnt agree more.



respect for this thread as well op