Drake stans (aka b!tch n!ggas) are the worst stans in hip hop history...it's official. FACTS.

[Billy Ocean]

But honestly, Marley Marl wrote hooks for Kane. Swizz, Timbaland and Omillio Sparks wrote hooks for Hov. Trackmasters wrote hooks for Nas. These are actual Top 10 MC's, and they got help. That's what music is. You bring people in to help or to catch vibes from. The very best to ever do it, have done this. So if someone like Drake does it, it shouldn't be seen any differently just because he's wildly successful. We don't like to admit this, but this has been going on forever, but without people being credited. Dude is giving people their credit for helping. A lot of the greats didn't say shyt about getting help. Haha. And we would've never known, if the people didn't come out and say something.

Like I said, I get that people don't like the dude. I'm not really into his music either. But he's not doing anything that basically everyone's done in Hip Hop. Since basically day one. If he didn't credit QM, I'd have an issue with it. But credibility takes a hit, usually when someone is frontin' and not being honest. He's listing his contributors. That's not exactly fraudulent.

Bro, getting hooks from dudes does not disqualify you from being considered a GREAT MC. Getting full verses and songs from n!ggas does. If Kane was getting full verses from n!ggas, he wouldn't be looked at as an all time great MC. Neither would Hov, or any of the other dudes who usually get mentioned in ALL TIME GREAT MC talks.

And it's not about hating Drake, at least not with me. I actually enjoyed most of his music. Do your research breh. I never knocked dude's music and several times I've been in threads giving him props for being witty and a dope rapper when he wants to be. I was chastised for saying I like If You're Reading This It's Too Late more than Tetsuo and Youth. But once actual evidence was presented...tangible evidence...I can't consider him a credible MC anymore. And he wasn't being honest. He was fronting. He was going around calling himself the greatest. you don't do that when you have a team of ghostwriters. He's a fraud.

 

[meth68]

Sh!t is ridiculous. I just went through a thread where a bunch of his b!tch made stans and apologists had the gall to claim that he's winning and more popular than ever because Flex pump faked and Meek ain't drop a response to quite possibly the weakest diss/response track aimed at another rapper in hip hop history. It's discouraging because I actually witnessed some cats I thought were credible posters in there co-signing the sh!t. How is it possible that you can call yourself an avid hip hop fan and you can claim Drake is winning in this situation?

Facts:

1. Drake got exposed for having ghostwriters.
2. Drake doesn't deny having ghostwriters.
3. Drake drops the weakest track I've heard all month in response to being exposed.

Flex promised something and didn't deliver...so fvcking what? Flex BEEN a corn. Meek ain't drop a diss track yet, but it's just been a couple days since that weak ass Charged Up sh!t dropped. I personally feel that that track was so weak I wouldn't even be mad if Meek did'nt even respond to that garbage. Meek still wins because Drake got exposed as a fraud and responded back with . Fvck what he's doing on Twitter. Meek been tweeting dumbass sh!t on Twitter since he started that account.

Drake...he's basically an R&B singer now. I don't ever wanna hear this n!ggas name mentioned with credible MCs again. If ya'll wanna keep on bringing up that R&B singers, rockstars, comedians, etc.. have their sh!t ghostwritten ALL the time then go ahead but DON'T try to place this n!gga in talks with REAL MCs again. Compare this n!gga with Rihanna or Tinashe.

And ya'll n!ggas that been listening to hip hop for years, and respect the culture and it's history, need to stop co-signing that sh!t or hip hop as we know it and love is done.

Drake fans keep ignoring the fact that he dropped the worst diss track in the history of music... yet they keep pretending like its lowkey amazing....

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Why is everyone fighting when mods are killing posters for putting their arms up?

And Curly stans are by far the worst stans in history. Drake fans have been delusional for about a week. Curly stans been delusional for YEARS now.

 

[mr.africa]

FACT:

Drake was exposed as an Industry Plant when he Couldn't even finish a freestyle off a blackberry, but nikkas let it ride. to this day no one is asking who wrote that freestyle, or even who's blackberry that was.

breh, i never thought that far ahead. i always assumed it was HIS blackberry!!!

 

[AMcV'88]

i have no interest in reading the threads Billy was alluding to...(just looking at the titles was enough for me)...i'm not mad at em...to an extent.
most of them are younger than 25, trolling and all that shyt because they know how people will react..half of you are grown men and just about have a fit when someone says something you don't like about an artist you're fans of nevermind have allegations and threats against your favorite artist only for nothing to come of it (so far)

people already had plenty of reasons to cry about Drake so when this gave them more reason to, you know what was going to happen.
both fans and naysayers went into overdrive...that Napoleon, or whatever his name is hasn't slept in a week.

as annoying as it could be to read, people are going to claw, scratch, bite to defend their artists and cackle etc when they something goes for them.

Jay stans say Nas stand are the worst and vice versa, Nas fans used to HATE Dipset fans blah blah blah
stans of the above all clown Pac stans and EVERYBODY hates Eminem fans.
Lupe has his cult fanbase people clown..Kendricks fanbase is annoying.

...you're all at it.

and i would need more than one reference verse on a song that isn't a signature type song of theirs and some hear say of other references before i fully condemn a favorite of mine..shyt, hear say followed Ghostface around for years and i never believed it nor did i care.



also...honestly, would anybody stop listening to your favorite rappers music if it turned out he didn't write his own stuff ?

 

[Awesome Wells]

Bro, getting hooks from dudes does not disqualify you from being considered a GREAT MC. Getting full verses and songs from n!ggas does. If Kane was getting full verses from n!ggas, he wouldn't be looked at as an all time great MC. Neither would Hov, or any of the other dudes who usually get mentioned in ALL TIME GREAT MC talks.

And it's not about hating Drake, at least not with me. I actually enjoyed most of his music. Do your research breh. I never knocked dude's music and several times I've been in threads giving him props for being witty and a dope rapper when he wants to be. I was chastised for saying I like If You're Reading This It's Too Late more than Tetsuo and Youth. But once actual evidence was presented...tangible evidence...I can't consider him a credible MC anymore. And he wasn't being honest. He was fronting. He was going around calling himself the greatest. you don't do that when you have a team of ghostwriters. He's a fraud.

The point is, Drake is crediting QM for his help with hooks. QM is saying he helped with that. He's not claiming to not have brought in help. Like I said, if he was frontin' and saying he did all of that on his own, I'd have an issue. But if dude is crediting cats for coming in and throwing him a few hooks, I don't see anything wrong with that. That's normal.

A ghostwriter is someone that you don't credit publicly. Like how Kane was for Biz back then. Much later, people found out that Kane was writing for him. But you didn't see all that in the credits. Or how Glove said he produced songs on The Chronic, that Dre was credited for. That's ghosting. But someone like Skeff Anslem, if he did a beat for Tribe, he was credited for it. And this is way back! Artists can say whatever they want in their music. That's to be expected. But as long as they're giving the credit for what dudes are contributing, I don't have an issue with whatever they talk shyt about in their raps. That's music. What matters is the credit.

 

[iseetrolledpeople]

Ever since that bb freestyle i can't fcuk with dude. Its wasn't the fact that he red that ish. It was the fact that dude was getting nervous as a btich by the end, couldnt even lie on the spot, almost sweating
Btich made. Straight up. Shoutout to BigGhost Cocaine Biceps Ravioli for keeping his foot on his neck.

 

[meth68]

The point is, Drake is crediting QM for his help with hooks. QM is saying he helped with that. He's not claiming to not have brought in help. Like I said, if he was frontin' and saying he did all of that on his own, I'd have an issue. But if dude is crediting cats for coming in and throwing him a few hooks, I don't see anything wrong with that. That's normal.

A ghostwriter is someone that you don't credit publicly. Like how Kane was for Biz back then. Much later, people found out that Kane was writing for him. But you didn't see all that in the credits. Or how Glove said he produced songs on The Chronic, that Dre was credited for. That's ghosting. But someone like Skuff Anslem, if he did a beat for Tribe, he was credited for it. And this is way back! Artists can say whatever they want in their music. That's to be expected. But as long as they're giving the credit for what dudes are contributing, I don't have an issue with whatever they talk shyt about in their raps. That's music. What matters is the credit.

Word around the campfire is that Aubrey has a couple tracks where QM does not have writing credits... thus the legal issues currently with Flex...

 

[Billy Ocean]

The point is, Drake is crediting QM for his help with hooks. QM is saying he helped with that. He's not claiming to not have brought in help. Like I said, if he was frontin' and saying he did all of that on his own, I'd have an issue. But if dude is crediting cats for coming in and throwing him a few hooks, I don't see anything wrong with that. That's normal.

A ghostwriter is someone that you don't credit publicly. Like how Kane was for Biz back then. Much later, people found out that Kane was writing for him. But you didn't see all that in the credits. Or how Glove said he produced songs on The Chronic, that Dre was credited for. That's ghosting. But someone like Skuff Anslem, if he did a beat for Tribe, he was credited for it. And this is way back! Artists can say whatever they want in their music. That's to be expected. But as long as they're giving the credit for what dudes are contributing, I don't have an issue with whatever they talk shyt about in their raps. That's music. What matters is the credit.

Aight, how bout this? Regardless if you credit the individual who's writing your rhymes or not, you can't be considered a great MC. If you have someone writing your rhymes, you can't be going thinking you the sh!t and calling yourself the greatest, Wells.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Word around the campfire is that Aubrey has a couple tracks where QM does not have writing credits... thus the legal issues currently with Flex...

Gossip. QM says he came in late on the album. And dude was credited on mad tracks. If anyone should have an issue with not being credited properly, it'd be him. And he's saying that he's gotten all his credit. So I can't really speak on the hearsay. I'ma go with what the actual people involved have said.

 

[hex]

Negged right back, my n!gga. Everything you posted in that thread you made is status. @hexagram23 ate you alive, cannibal style.

Fred.

 

[meth68]

Gossip. QM says he came in late on the album. And dude was credited on mad tracks. If anyone should have an issue with not being credited properly, it'd be him. And he's saying that he's gotten all his credit. So I can't really speak on the hearsay. I'ma go with what the actual people involved have said.

Yep cause im sure money has nothing to do with it right? If Drake is putting food on your table, you going to agree with the accusations?

 

[AMcV'88]

also, if your a grown man near enough admitting you "stan" another rapper go and look in the mirror.

Breh, I'm not a Drake fan but its no secret that his fans bond emotionally to his music. Hes a very personal rapper and his songs read like journal or diary entries

thats why i don't believe he's had ghostwriters like that.
do i believe he's been in the studio trying some new shyt and this Quentin guy was helping him with it ?..."most definitely" - Rick Ross.

...that why he got the credit.

i stand by him saying he should have put that boy on the song though.
that first verse isn't him compared to the rest of 10 Bands.

 

[hex]

I don't get people saying "Drake can't use ghostwriters extensively, his music is too personal" when Sauce Money wrote for Puff and the song was about his friend dying.

If screen writers can write from any perspective....including ones they obviously have no experience with....then this argument makes no sense.

Drake is an actor, and the raps he's given are a script.

Fred.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Yep cause im sure money has nothing to do with it right? If Drake is putting food on your table, you going to agree with the accusations?

Nah, if I wrote for you and I'm not getting what I'm owed, I want that! LOL!!

This is the music business. A lot of people, most, are not getting credited for their work. Trust me. So if I'm not getting my credit, or if my work isn't being publicized the way it should be, that probably means I'm not seeing the money I should. I believe QM.