Drake stans (aka b!tch n!ggas) are the worst stans in hip hop history...it's official. FACTS.

[Awesome Wells]

Aight, how bout this? Regardless if you credit the individual who's writing your rhymes or not, you can't be considered a great MC. If you have someone writing your rhymes, you can't be going thinking you the sh!t and calling yourself the greatest, Wells.

Real talk though, we got cats on here who've said that KRS-One ain't shyt. LOL!!

I've actually seen that. So "greatness" is clearly subjective. Every poster will have their definition of what that means on whatever level. I'm more speaking to things in a historical sense because not much has changed. I would need proof that a dude doesn't write his actual rhymes because I condemned him for it. I can't invest in gossip or the fact that some kid wrote some hooks. If you don't write your actual rhymes, that's different. But writing something with another MC happens all day in Hip Hop, ask Redman. Kanye threw Hov bars on WTT. That's why I'm saying, this has been going on forever. If we're gonna get on Drake for it, we'd have a lot of other cats to mention as well. Greats! It's nothing new.

 

[Rapmastermind]

You know Hip Hop is dead when dudes are celebrating MORE REFERENCES didn't dropped, lol. Drake got a week to diss Meek but he only gets 2 days?, lol. What was crazy this week was seeing how many people actually tried to excuse a emcee having ghostwriters. It was also funny seeing all the artist being thrown under the bus to try and give Drake a pass. Biggie, NaS, Jay, Michael Jackson, lol. Then the use of Producers like Puffy, Dre, KanYe and Timbaland when everyone know they got writers was laughable too. I mean this let me know people were trolling and not really Hip Hop fans.

Honestly it's clear that Drake's core fanbase aren't Hip Hop fans based on the excuses being made. I never had a problem with being called "Old head, Purist" Even when some try say we are "Out of touch" cause that means I know what Hip Hop is. This generations era will never be able to hold up 20, 30 years from now. After listening to Hot 97 these last few days I don't even blame the youth anymore. Corporations own Hip Hop now and are force feeding the worst garbage we've ever seen in the genre's history. There is no diversity, you got 1 Female rapper doing it. Like 1 Conscious rappers. Got Industry Plants being elevated as some type of GOAT.

Hip Hop is a damn circus sideshow. But it's all good, The 80's and 90's are the pillars of the culture and there are so many Classic songs and albums that it's impossible to get tired of it. I'm just happy cause I knew I wasn't crazy, my worst fears are confirmed. So again Call me an Old Head, Call me Purist. But don't call me Out of Touch with Hip Hop cause that not the case. This era are the ones out of touch with what Hip Hop is. Drake is an RnB Singer and Pop Star. He's not an emcee, he's not a spitter. That Sprite Ad was calculated media push to put Drake with the GOATS and it backfired like sh!t. Nobody will ever rank him with Rakim, Biggie, or NaS. shyt he's can't even be better than K Dot or J Cole at this point. But let me take that back. Hip Hop isn't dead cause all of us out here that understand the culture are keeping it alive.

 

[meth68]

Nah, if I wrote for you and I'm not getting what I'm owed, I want that! LOL!!

This is the music business. A lot of people, most, are not getting credited for their work. Trust me. So if I'm not getting my credit, or if my work isn't being publicized the way it should be, that probably means I'm not seeing the money I should. I believe QM.

QM isnt exactly drake rich, and the last thing you want to be known as, is a ghostwriter who didnt stay "ghost" when it came down to it... If he is ghost writing he got paid just no credit and stays quiet his bank account just went +++++ .. If he comes out now, he only takes the L in the long run, if hes smart he says whatever Drake wants him to say at this point, it would only help his future and career.

 

[onelastdeath]

When we bring back up all these Drake threads when his next album fire as fukk

I won't be listening to it. Or in any of the threads. He represents something terrible in Hip Hop that I can't support.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Drake is an RnB Singer and Pop Star.

This is the point right here.

I said this a couple pages back. What kinda credibility did he start with in the first place? He's been in the same lane forever.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Real talk though, we got cats on here who've said that KRS-One ain't shyt. LOL!!

I've actually seen that. So "greatness" is clearly subjective. Every poster will have their definition of what that means on whatever level. I'm more speaking to things in a historical sense because not much has changed. I would need proof that a dude doesn't write his actual rhymes because I condemned him for it. I can't invest in gossip or the fact that some kid wrote some hooks. If you don't write your actual rhymes, that's different. But writing something with another MC happens all day in Hip Hop, ask Redman. Kanye threw Hov bars on WTT. That's why I'm saying, this has been going on forever. If we're gonna get on Drake for it, we'd have a lot of other cats to mention as well. Greats! It's nothing new.

Let's not use that whole "subjective" angle here. I hate when it's brought up when discussing common sense sh!t cause you can apply it to anything in it's defense. You can say "dog sh!t taste better than vanilla ice cream and you can't tell me I'm wrong because it's subjective". Sh!t is just ridiculous. Most avid hip hop listeners who have knowledge and respect for the culture KNOWS KRS is one of the greats.

And I don't know what more proof anyone would need than a reference track. A reference track was put out there...right there...on front street. Trading lil lines here and there with your crew is not the same as having someone write full verses for you.

 

[Awesome Wells]

QM isnt exactly drake rich, and the last thing you want to be known as, is a ghostwriter who didnt stay "ghost" when it came down to it... If he is ghost writing he got paid just no credit and stays quiet his bank account just went +++++ .. If he comes out now, he only takes the L in the long run, if hes smart he says whatever Drake wants him to say at this point, it would only help his future and career.

That wouldn't make any sense. He's credited. So regardless if Drake is happy with whatever or not, you HAVE to pay this kid. Especially if he did references for you. Those are legally binding. Which is my point. He's not going to do shyt and be cool with not getting credited for it. What would be the point in crediting him for like 7 joints, but not 9? Makes no sense. If they didn't want anyone to know about dude, trust me, we would've never heard about a Quentin Miller.

Broke rappers take bullshyt checks to remain anonymous and uncredited everyday.

 

[meth68]

That wouldn't make any sense. He's credited. So regardless if Drake is happy with whatever or not, you HAVE to pay this kid. Especially if he did references for you. Those are legally binding. Which is my point. He's not going to do shyt and be cool with not getting credited for it. What would be the point in crediting him for like 7 joints, but not 9? Makes no sense. If they didn't want anyone to know about dude, trust me, we would've never heard about a Quentin Miller.

Broke rappers take bullshyt checks to remain anonymous and uncredited everyday.

Simple being credited on a couple tracks "he helped me a little bit" is the story right now.. .is MUCH different then seeing QM on A LOT of track credits...

 

[Awesome Wells]

Lwt's not use that whole "subjective" angle here. I hate when it's brought up when discussing common sense sh!t cause you can apply it to anything in it's defense. You can say "dog sh!t taste better than vanilla ice cream and you can't tell me I'm wrong because it's subjective". Sh!t is just ridiculous. Most avid hip hop listeners who have knowledge and respect for the culture KNOWS KRS is one of the greats.

And I don't know what more proof anyone would need than a reference track. A reference track was put out there...right there...on front street. Trading lil lines here and there with your crew is not the same as having someone write full verses for you.

I've seen you post, so I know you know that today's generation doesn't give a shyt about the greats from mine. Haha. So greatness is definitely subjective. That shyt changes from person to person. And you gotta respect that because it's music. There are no absolutes in this.

But really, if anyone credits someone with writing a song with them, I can't call them a fraud. You'd be a fraud if you tried to front like that was all you. I used the Kanye example. You hear Hov saying shyt that we all saw a video of Kanye give him for "Lucifer'. Little 8-bar bridge on the track. That's what happens in music everyday. I love TBA to death! So I'm not gonna be all quick to discredit Hov just because Kanye gave him 8 bars for a track they built together. Get what I'm saying? That's always been a part of the creative process in this culture. I know Drake ain't likable, but the dude isn't doing anything that everyone else doesn't. That's just fact.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Simple being credited on a couple tracks "he helped me a little bit" is the story right now.. .is MUCH different then seeing QM on A LOT of track credits...

I honestly don't know what the story is. I can't lie.

But I know dude was all up in the credits. They can say whatever they want, but they made sure that QM was credited for a lot of things. That's what counts, not really what people say.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Simple being credited on a couple tracks "he helped me a little bit" is the story right now.. .is MUCH different then seeing QM on A LOT of track credits...

Yep. And let's not forget, even on the track he's credited on, he's buried under like 6 names. Lol. His level of involvement makes him more worthy than the seventh dude listed on the credits. That's like placing fructose/added sugars at the bottom of the ingredients list on the label of a can of Coca Cola.

 

[meth68]

I've seen you post, so I know you know that today's generation doesn't give a shyt about the greats from mine. Haha. So greatness is definitely subjective. That shyt changes from person to person. And you gotta respect that because it's music. There are no absolutes in this.

But really, if anyone credits someone with writing a song with them, I can't call them a fraud. You'd be a fraud if you tried to front like that was all you. I used the Kanye example. You hear Hov saying shyt that we all saw a video of Kanye give him for "Lucifer'. Little 8-bar bridge on the track. That's what happens in music everyday. I love TBA to death! So I'm not gonna be all quick to discredit Hov just because Kanye gave him 8 bars for a track they built together. Get what I'm saying? That's always been a part of the creative process in this culture. I know Drake ain't likable, but the dude isn't doing anything that everyone else doesn't. That's just fact.

I grew up in an era where a "emcee" with a writer is an R&B artist... there are hit makers, entertainers and lyricists... I don't care what comes of this, drake is no longer and should no longer be considered a lyricist. Does he make good music? yes, does he rap well? Yes, Is he a great performer? Yes... But they need to wipe his ass off them sprite quote cans cause how we even know if they are his quotes now? How you gonna put them on there with Nas and Rakim

Fact is we dont know the full story and due to lawyers and the amount of money involved we never will, but would you have the same perspective if you found out there was at least 3 more "reference" tracks out there? and 1 of them with zero writing credits?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I've seen you post, so I know you know that today's generation doesn't give a shyt about the greats from mine. Haha. So greatness is definitely subjective. That shyt changes from person to person. And you gotta respect that because it's music. There are no absolutes in this.

But really, if anyone credits someone with writing a song with them, I can't call them a fraud. You'd be a fraud if you tried to front like that was all you. I used the Kanye example. You hear Hov saying shyt that we all saw a video of Kanye give him for "Lucifer'. Little 8-bar bridge on the track. That's what happens in music everyday. I love TBA to death! So I'm not gonna be all quick to discredit Hov just because Kanye gave him 8 bars for a track they built together. Get what I'm saying? That's always been a part of the creative process in this culture. I know Drake ain't likable, but the dude isn't doing anything that everyone else doesn't. That's just fact.

Post a reference track for any of these other artists that do it all the time.

 

[mr.africa]

drake stans be like

it's funny to watch!!

 

[mobbinfms]

Drake is top 5 pop artist in the world right now.

Drake singlehandedly proved that hiphop ain't important to the masses. (Nobody gives a fukk about the rules etc).

Drake beat Meek Mills not by just responding effectively in a short period of time but by also seeming completely unphased by being exposed for having ghostwriters (hence the last point nobody gives a fukk about hiphop or its "rules)

Meek was sabotaged by Flex. By him putting himself in the mix it made meek look bad by affiliation (hyping up tracks that don't exist, etc).

Meek tweeted instead of keeping it hiphop.

Popularity & status >>>> hiphop rules and skill.

I think its safe to say not even Kendrick could compete against Drake at this point.



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