Uub couldn't handled him at base level, you wanted Goku to go ssj and kill the boy
Dragon Ball Z movie 2015 FRIEEZA BACK!(edit Oct 9 2015: english dub out)
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Im still thinking this is a different universe like how bills was explaining it. Frieza might actually cop a win
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Uub couldn't handled him at base level, you wanted Goku to go ssj and kill the boy
I think he was implying that Goku could power up to a level higher than super Saiyan in his base form.
Remember these last two movies take place before The tournament Goku fought Uub in.
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I know.. shyt is ridiculous. I fukking love SSJ.. Took Dbz to new heights.
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Toriyama is soooo much like George Lucas. Changing up his story and saying it was like that the whole time.
Remember when Gohan was supposed to have hidden/untapped potential power in the Frieza saga. Then Guru unlocked it...
Remember when Gohan was supposed to have hidden/untapped potential power in the Cell saga. Then SSJ2 unlocked it.
Remember when Gohan was supposed to have hidden/untapped potential power in the Buu saga. Then the old kai unlocked it.
Apparently Gohan has a bottomless pit of hidden power and no matter how much you unlock there's always more ready for the next bad guy.
When I first saw Gohan go SSJ2 I thought it was just SSJ plus Gohans "unique" unlocked power. Not just another form of SSJ that anyone can eventually attain.
For a long time there was suppose to be something "special" about Gohan. All the way from the beginning of DBZ. And Toriyama would only use that power as a device to progress the story so that Goku could eventually save the day.
Now Gohan's been thrown to the bushes.
But going back to what Toriyama said:
Now this probably isn't true for most people but for me one of the most fun and coolest things about DBZ and its continuation was seeing how much everyone had improved since their last fight. Either physically or by power level.
One of the things I HATED about DBGT is that I couldn't tell how strong anyone was. Everyone just looked and seemed weaker for no reason.
In these last two movies it looks like Goku and Vegeta are a lot less muscular then they used to be. And since they won't go SSJ its going to be hard to gauge the power they're fighting at. SSJG was even purposely made to look skinnier then just normal base form which is really odd.
I think Toriyama just wants to start over as far as transformation go. And these are just excuses as to why he thinks it appropriate.
I know but that was the fans forcing that. He always wanted Gohan to be the hero after he was forced to continue the story beyond the Frieza Saga. Goku fanboys complained once Gohan was really being pushed to the forefront during the manga and he decided to fall back and give fan service with Goku.
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Which is one of the reasons why I think Toriyama is a terrible writer/story teller.
After the cell saga Goku was dead for 6 or 7 years. Toriyama skipped all that and went straight to the first day Goku was temporarily revived to fight in the Marital Arts Tournament. How he was able to get his body back AGAIN doesn't make any sense. But Toriyama wrote it in in a very lazy manner.
The fact that the other world tournament was filler should've been apart of the main story. It showed that the universe doesn't revolve around Goku and that there are other fighters out there similar to his strength like Pikkon which would of been a great addition to the Z fighters. I'm also surprised we didn't find any other saiyans in otherworld either. It would of been a perfect opportunity for Goku to meet his Dad or Mom.
I can't blame him (or any artist, author) for compromising his vision on the behalf of the very people who are supporting him. It happens all the time and I really wish it didn't but if he wants to go left, and everyone that makes it possible for him to go left, tells him to go right. I mean, I get it. Don't like it but I get it. Some good came out of him compromising like the Androids/Cell and Vegeta v. Goku. None of that wouldve happened if he didnt compromise.
Some of it was lazy but some of it was obvious too. I dunno how Goku could rationally be allowed to come back for one day but damn bro, how is that any less rational than ppl getting "wished" back to life. Goku was a servant of the people. King Yemma awarded him somehow for his sacrifices by coming back a day. He did it for Vegeta through desperation....and Goku's parents were still murderers. All saiyans except for Goku it seems are in hell lol
I thought there were certain stipulations (at first) for you to keep your body in other world.
Distinctively remember there being white sperm like looking ghost in other world while goku had his body.
I always figured all them dead saiyans where white ghost by the time goku died.
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Distinctively remember there being white sperm like looking ghost in other world while goku had his body.
I always figured all them dead saiyans where white ghost by the time goku died.
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If he didn't compromise we could of had a waaaay better and more coherent story. I'm not gonna push blame on the fans or supporters for how to story turned out. You don't have to sacrifice vision for good story telling but for some reason Toriyama had to give up one or the other.
The Andriod/cell saga were going to happen regardless and the Goku Vs. Vegeta fight was good, but what lead up to it was garbage and waaaay to forced and just felt like a distraction from the main story at the time rather than an actual "Lets finally settle this" kind of thing.
The impact of Goku dying against cell was so huge because he wouldn't be able to come back. Toriyama deaded all that by just giving Goku a pass during the martial arts tournament and then giving him his life back as a thank you for saving the world again or something. No one has stayed dead in the series. Which makes death seem less and less important.
Saiyans weren't inherently evil. Just very aggressive and short tempered and easily manipulated. The fact that you need 6 good hearted saiyans to become a SSJG proves that.
Episode of Bardock was the cheapest way to shoe horn Bardock back into relevancy I could ever imagine.
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Let me guess..Goku is going to get a power up from everyone and save the day or be the last one fighting.
Although I'll watch it, though the last movie was garbage
I heard that Toriyama wanted to make Vegeta the hero of this movie but It will most likely feature Goku for most of it and then Vegeta will be the one to end it.
I just want the movie to make sense. If Goku loses there better be a good reason why and if Vegeta is the one who saves the day there better be a good reason why.
I was thinking the other day about Toriyama saying that he wanted pull back on the SSJ transformations and focus more on their base levels. And I thought it would be a cool idea for Wiess to teach both Goku and Vegeta how to unlock their SSJ power without transforming. Basically they would be transferring their SSJ power into their base form and no longer need to go SSJ anymore because they basically already are. And to add to this and to show that they are using SSJ power at base form,when they power up they would still have a yellow aura to signify that the SSJ ki is now embedded within them.
I know its a bit much but it would be a good way to trim the fat of the transformations but still show the significance of the power they give without just throwing the transformations into the bushes.
Only "good" guys got to keep their body.
All evil doers body were destroyed and they were created a new existence.
someone posted this saying this was how the last 30 minutes or so the movie will go.
I think it's crap but to each his own
I think it's crap but to each his own
Goku gets beamed through the chest off camera for a split second by Frieza in his Golden form similar to how Frieza killed Vegeta on Old Namek where he ends up kicking Goku through a canyon of rocks where Goku is lying on the floor with his eyes half way open while trembling as his power decreases until Vegeta walks up to him and Goku goes, "Win this one for me Vegeta, please, please..." and Vegeta replies, "Don't worry Kakarot, I have something in mind."
Vegeta then looks toward Frieza and they have a stand off with each other when 8 seconds later Vegeta transforms into a form as strong as Super Saiyan God where he goes into a head to head battle against Frieza in his Golden form that goes on for about a half an hour which leads up to the film's climax where Vegeta rams Frieza's fist down his throat and proclaims, "I'm the KING of all Saiyans!"
Frieza then explodes and gets vaporized into nothing where his soul no longer exists and the end credits later show that Frieza is nowhere to be found in Hell (a.k.a. HFIL/Home for Infinite Losers) like he was at the beginning of the film where he was wrapped inside a coc00n being tortured while having flashbacks of his defeat at the hands of Goku and Trunks.
Vegeta then looks toward Frieza and they have a stand off with each other when 8 seconds later Vegeta transforms into a form as strong as Super Saiyan God where he goes into a head to head battle against Frieza in his Golden form that goes on for about a half an hour which leads up to the film's climax where Vegeta rams Frieza's fist down his throat and proclaims, "I'm the KING of all Saiyans!"
Frieza then explodes and gets vaporized into nothing where his soul no longer exists and the end credits later show that Frieza is nowhere to be found in Hell (a.k.a. HFIL/Home for Infinite Losers) like he was at the beginning of the film where he was wrapped inside a coc00n being tortured while having flashbacks of his defeat at the hands of Goku and Trunks.