Dr. Dre is always called influential but is he really?

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The Chronic would went platinum with or without Snoop.

the fact that the singles had sick beats and the album was named after weed alone made the album something people would buy asap.

Snoop helped Dr.Dre but he didn't blow him up.

give it a rest guys.

Doggystyle sold so well because the Chronic was pretty much Snoop's first album

Snoop is about 50% responsible for the Chronic being what it is
 

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:rudy: Without Eminem he would have fallen off completely and wouldn't be called a legend

Eminem gave him the whole second half of his career
he was a legend before Em, NWA & Death Row made sure of that. it's not like Em came along & had his own deal & decided to have Dre produce for him
 

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he was a legend before Em, NWA & Death Row made sure of that. it's not like Em came along & had his own deal & decided to have Dre produce for him

He would be some underrated west coast legend that people stan on forums like a more mainstream Johnny J or something

Eminem is the biggest reason for Dre's relevance
 

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He would be some underrated west coast legend that people stan on forums like a more mainstream Johnny J or something

Eminem is the biggest reason for Dre's relevance
if you had said DJ Quik or Battle Cat you might have been close to making legit point but Dre had already made 3 classics and been involved in 2 of the most popular and most influential crews in Hip Hop (not just the west coast) in NWA & Death Row so he wouldn't be relegated to Johhny J status without Eminem.

3 certified classics, 4 albums with their own distinctive production styles, one of the first producer/DJ's to rhyme as well. introduces the game to legends such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Eazy-E and elevated the sonic landscape of Hip Hop to new eights every time he touched an album. all before Em came into the picture.

Q Tip has said on many occasions that Straight Outta Compton inspired & INFLUENCED him to make Low End Theory. Kanye built his style on Dre drums as much as he did RZA samples, the "producer" album as we know it was started with The Chronic, etc
 

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if you had said DJ Quik or Battle Cat you might have been close to making legit point but Dre had already made 3 classics and been involved in 2 of the most popular and most influential crews in Hip Hop (not just the west coast) in NWA & Death Row so he wouldn't be relegated to Johhny J status without Eminem.

3 certified classics, 4 albums with their own distinctive production styles, one of the first producer/DJ's to rhyme as well. introduces the game to legends such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Eazy-E and elevated the sonic landscape of Hip Hop to new eights every time he touched an album. all before Em came into the picture.

Q Tip has said on many occasions that Straight Outta Compton inspired & INFLUENCED him to make Low End Theory. Kanye built his style on Dre drums as much as he did RZA samples, the "producer" album as we know it was started with The Chronic, etc

I didn't realize Quik and Battlecat were that much more mainstream than Johnny J... I think they're all about the same :mjpls:

He only introduced the game to Snoop... Eazy and Cube came in with him... and you act like people don't forget about classics... classics don't keep you relevant... ask Rakim

What Q-Tip said about Dre is that he wanted to compete with Dre as a producer in terms of status and dopeness not that he was basing his style on Dre

Kanye only had Dre drums on one song

The Chronic isn't a producer album... it's an MC album

A producer album would be like a DJ album where the DJ is a producer instead :mjpls:
 

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I didn't realize Quik and Battlecat were that much more mainstream than Johnny J... I think they're all about the same :mjpls:

He only introduced the game to Snoop... Eazy and Cube came in with him... and you act like people don't forget about classics... classics don't keep you relevant... ask Rakim

What Q-Tip said about Dre is that he wanted to compete with Dre as a producer in terms of status and dopeness not that he was basing his style on Dre

Kanye only had Dre drums on one song

The Chronic isn't a producer album... it's an MC album

A producer album would be like a DJ album where the DJ is a producer instead :mjpls:
Kanye's whole drum style is built on 2001 drums he has said so himself.

enough with this shyt, dude is trollin hard as fukk or just retarded
 

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Kanye's whole drum style is built on 2001 drums he has said so himself.

enough with this shyt, dude is trollin hard as fukk or just retarded

According to Kanye he got his whole style from Mase :comeon:
Wait he said Ghostface at a different time :comeon:
Wait didn't he say the same thing about RZA :comeon:

Didn't he say Big Sean would be the GOAT :comeon:

That was one song that had Dre's drum style ever
Dre's drums are loud and clean and have simple patterns
Kanye is the opposite - his drums aren't that loud and sound grimier (like vinyl samples) and they're not in simple patterns

And that was his old style... Kanye lost his old drum sound by his third album so everything past LR doesn't have his old style of drums
 

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:comeon: obviously the Mase thing is about his rhymes because wtf beats did Mase ever make?

the man is supposed to stick with one style for his whole career?
 

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:comeon: obviously the Mase thing is about his rhymes because wtf beats did Mase ever make?

the man is supposed to stick with one style for his whole career?

I'm saying Kanye blows up small influences to "so and so gave me my whole style"

Not saying that either but he only took Dre's steez for one beat
and the era that you could argue he was influenced by Dre's drums has been over since Graduation
 

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This thread is stupid. Y'all are arguing with an obvious troll. Shouldn't have gone beyond the first page.

Pretty evident of it given a couple of his statements on this page alone. Unfortunately fell for this guys trolling :facepalm:
 

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and who gave eminem a career. :usure:



and who gave snoop his career :comeon:

So latching onto people with great star potential is "giving them a career" now? :usure:

You only see people give all the credit to the person who signed the artist in Dre's case

In all other cases it's the artist who put himself on and the label was just taking advantage :youngsabo::mjpls:
 
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