Dr. Dre is always called influential but is he really?

[daze23]

By saying Snoop 'blew up' Dr Dre you are saying that he wasn't already well known and wasn't an established name. The original argument I quoted, which started my back and forth with someone else before you jumped in, the thread starter was using this whole 'Snoop on The Chronic' as a way to say that Dr Dre wasn't influential. That is what you are co signing right now.

He helped Dr Dre created a classic, well selling westcoast gangsta rap album. Something that Dr Dre already had under his belt.

You are also not factoring in that Hip Hop as a whole was selling more in 93 and 94 than in 1988 and 1989. Very few rap records were going double platinum in 1989.

first of all I'm not co-signing anyone but myself. don't try to pigeon hole me into someone else's argument

you just seem to not appreciate that Dre was the member of a group. and back then there wasn't all this focus on the producer (like I said earlier in this thread, Dre helped change that). for that matter Straight Outta Compton says "produced by Dr Dre and Yella", and Eazy was the executive producer. MC Ren had 2 solo joints on that double-plat album, how did his solo career go? there's no guarantee that a member of a successful group will be a successful solo artist. it's eazy to say after the fact, because Dre was successful. but that success was achieved with the help of Snoop and others

 

[feelosofer]

That's called popularity, not influence

Like Mouseteeth said, Dre defined an era and a region of hip-hop in one fell swoop, Jermaine Dupree, Kanye West, Scott Storch, Eminem, Outkast all were using the sound that he established.

He produced or was a part of 3 or 4 of the greatest hip-hop abums of all time.

Was a founding member of a top 5 of all time hip-hop group.

Founded/Co-founded 2 extremely successful labels in two totally different era, revitalizing those sounds in the process.

He didn't invent G-Funk but he was the face of it.

Discovered/Popularized 3 of the biggest artists of of the past 25 years. Snoop, 50, Eminem, who are all influential in their own right.

Even his biggest failure was a relative success (The Firm)

Dude has more fingerprints in the genre than anyone.

 

[macadomusic]

 

[MichaelWhite]

Yes.

 

[ManBearPig]

first of all I'm not co-signing anyone but myself. don't try to pigeon hole me into someone else's argument

you just seem to not appreciate that Dre was the member of a group. and back then there wasn't all this focus on the producer (like I said earlier in this thread, Dre helped change that). for that matter Straight Outta Compton says "produced by Dr Dre and Yella", and Eazy was the executive producer. MC Ren had 2 solo joints on that double-plat album, how did his solo career go? there's no guarantee that a member of a successful group will be a successful solo artist. it's eazy to say after the fact, because Dre was successful. but that success was achieved with the help of Snoop and others

u didnt see Suge Knight try to beat up Heller and Eazy-E with lead pipes and bats for fukking MC Ren

 

[semicko82]

The Chronic is gangsta rap's Thriller. Musically its up there with Miles Davis, Michael Jackson, and The Beatles. That album made gangsta rap pop music, and without we would still be on MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice type of shyt.

 

[daze23]

u didnt see Suge Knight try to beat up Heller and Eazy-E with lead pipes and bats for fukking MC Ren

what does that have to do with anything? you really think MC Ren would be a successful solo artist one way or the other?